New S&W Revolver-with NO lock!

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BLU said:
Could this be a new turn for Smith & Wesson?

No.

These have been available for some time now, and AFAIK, they're the only model available with a no-lock option.
 
They also made a 640-2 with a fluted barrel that's without the lock, part of the Pro series. Presently I see 642 and 442 both with and without locks around here, generally the same price either way.

As far as that being the future, I doubt it. As long as these fly off the shelf they have little or no incentive to rile up the anti forces.
 
I have two 442's w/o the lock, both were produced during the lock era. I also have a 442 nickel, pre-lock era.
 
I believe this is because S&W is trying to appeal to their former main consumer base (LEOs) who have traditionally bought the 642 as a backup gun (and a fine one it is). Amazingly, most LEOs will not buy a gun with a stupid lock on it like the one S&W uses. That alone speaks volumes concerning the sheer idiocy of putting a stupid lock on something like a DA revolver.
 
Well Drail, it worked! I'm a freshly retired LEO, (38 yrs-31 Federal), and I'm leaving for my LGS now! Seriously!:) I'll let ya know if Mrs. Gun owner will be happy, (I didn't buy one) or not!;)
 
Man...

OLD NEWS!!!!!!!!

LOL! Just Joshin' ya :D! But really, these have bee around for a long time now. I was excited that maybe Smith has some new no-lock models out. I purposely made sure to get a 642 no-lock last year when shopping for a snubbie, it's such a nice gun! But, to tell the truth, I'd probably rather have a 638 no lock but that isn't made right now.
 
You can buy some of the different Centennial-style S&W revolvers in No-Lock versions.

According to what I was told by someone at S&W, several years ago the company decided to clear out an unwanted parts backlog of manufactured frames for the older 642-1 because they were taking up too much space in their parts. They serial numbered them and produced a short run of brand new 642-1's.

They sold out to their usual distributors FAST. I spoke with a couple of folks working at the company who didn't even realize there had been a new production run of the 642-1's using the old-stock frames, let alone that they'd sold out so quickly.

Then I heard some similarly old stock 442-1's had also been put together and sold out.

It wasn't that much later that S&W decided they'd make some No-Lock versions of their most popular selling Centennial-style J-frames. (I used this as an excuse to buy my second M&P 340, when that model was released in a No-Lock version, as my first one was from the very first production run of the model made with the lock. :D )

Whenever I've asked about this I keep being told that while there's a strong percentage of people at the company who would like to see all of their revolvers offered in versions without the ILS (lock), that due to opinions of their corporate legal dept, only the internal hammer revolvers will probably see production versions without the ILS. (This could change next week, or never, so who knows.)

FWIW, I shoot my J's a pretty fair amount. My M&P 340's have replaced my pair of 642-1's as my most carried J's (retirement weapons), and of the pair of my M&P 340's, I tend to carry and use my first one - made with the lock - the most often.

I wouldn't mind seeing S&W engineers come up with a new version of the ILS. One that's less obtrusive (but just as easily accessed for owners who like the lock feature), and maybe one that has fewer than 5 parts. ;)
 
It seems to me putting a trigger lock in the box with the gun would be a better choice . The ILS has probably cost them millions of dollars in sales . It doesn't make since to only put a ILS on revolvers and not on every firearm you make from a legal standpoint .

I bought one of the first non lock 642's when they hit my LGS , not because I really wanted one , it was more to send S&W a message , that this is what we want . I guess I showed them with my $450 dollars .
 
About 6 or 7 years ago S&W made a no-lock Centennial J frame and any revolver made on that frame can be offered without a lock. Unfortunately they didn't extend that to the Bodyguard or Chief's Special frames too.

I bought a "new" model of the M642 and M442 without a lock and they are both current carry guns in the family. (I'm carrying the M442)
 
I almost was snookered today, spotted a beauty of an M&P 340 NO-LOCK! $800.

I about croaked from the extreme force of reaching for my wallet in a fashion Superman could not possibly duplicate.

Upon further inspection the lock had been removed and the hole plugged with an epoxy-like, but decently color-matched, resin.

I passed.
 
$800 was no deal. The full Retail is only $69 more.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...57768_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

I think Bud's Gun shop online had them for $730 including S&H a while back brand new and not modified after it left the factory. (lock removed)
Well, even $730 + s&h($30?) + 9.5% sales tax plus $30 transfer is roughly $862, so yeah, not a screaming deal, but still an OK deal, around here. Besides, that's the first one I've seen here in so long I forgot.
 
M&P .357magnum snub.....

Smith & Wesson puts out a no lock M&P .357magnum J frame.
You Tube gun channel host & instructor James Yeager often displays his .357 when discussing CCW revolvers. He also refers to it as a pistol. :rolleyes:

I saw a sweet NIB Smith & Wesson J frame 642(no lock) at a local gun shop. It was on sale for $365.00 :D . I would have purchased it if I did not buy my Glock 21 .45acp semi auto pistol.
 
Well, even $730 + s&h($30?) + 9.5% sales tax plus $30 transfer is roughly $862, so yeah, not a screaming deal, but still an OK deal, around here. Besides, that's the first one I've seen here in so long I forgot.
Why would you add $30 for S&H when I clearly said the $730 price included S&H? I have also never paid sales tax on products bought on the Internet. Lastly, if you bought that gun you would have had to pay the transfer fee anyway so why did you try to make the price of the new gun from Bud's look so bad?

Your used gun would have cost $800 + $76 sales tax + $30 transfer fee for a total of $906. The Bud's new gun would cost you only $730 + $30 transfer fee for a total of $760.

I was only trying to help yet you sounded like you wanted my suggestion to look foolish. $906 used compared to $760 new, I'm not foolish, only helpful.
 
I'm not trying to make anything look foolish, you said "$800 is no deal" which doesn't strike me a "suggestion".

In WA we have to pay sales tax on all transfers, sucks, but that's the way it is. Transfer fees are what they are, many dealers won't even accept transfers from Bud's, CTD etc for their own reasons. If I bought the gun locally the transfer fee would be zero. I'll offset my oversight of the free s&h with credit card fees which would be zero on a local retail sale versus whatever Bud's charges.

Maybe now we understand each others figures we can move on.
 
red_rick... You said the ILS has probably cost them millions in sales. It has!! (I remember the deal between them & B.J. Clinton created quite the backlash from Distributors, Dealers and Customers. So much so that in May 2001, Saf-T-Hammer Corp. bought S&W from Tomkins PLC for $15 million.) Want proof they didn't care if they lost money over the ILS? How is this for proof? Tomkins PLC paid $112 million for S&W! They lost almost $100 million when they sold S&W. I doubt they cared much. It's kind of like... "Fine! Don't like the ILS... buy somewhere else!"
 
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