New Smart Gun Technology?

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Has anybody else heard this or am I behind again?
I just saw a news report on a new way to produce "smart guns" It invloves a mirochip imbedded in the user (in the hand for handguns and in the shoulder for long guns) that coresponds to a chip in the gun. It's the same type of chip that they put in pets now.
The report claimed that the makers were working with a major gun manufacturer anybody know who this is? probably Smith or Colt.
 
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How about this,
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/lo...chip,0,2458599.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

Chip implanted in cop's hand would allow only officer to fire the gun



By JILL BARTON
Associated Press

April 13, 2004, 4:54 PM EDT

PALM BEACH -- A new computer chip promises to keep police guns from firing if they fall into the wrong hands.

The tiny chip would be implanted in a police officer's hand and would match up with a scanning device inside a handgun. If the officer and gun match, a digital signal unlocks the trigger so it can be fired. But if a child or criminal would get hold of the gun, it would be useless.

The technology is the latest attempt to create a so-called ``smart gun'' and could be marketed to law enforcement agencies within a year, according to Verichip Corp., which has created the microchip.

Verichip president Keith Bolton said that the technology could also improve safety for the military and individual gun owners.

``If you let your mind wander to other potential uses, you can imagine the lives that could be saved,'' he said.

Verichip, which has marketed similar microchips for security and medical purposes, announced Tuesday a partnership with gun maker FN Manufacturing to produce the smart weapons. The companies have developed a prototype and are working to refine its accuracy, Bolton said.

Similar developments are under way at other gun manufacturers and research firms. The New Jersey Institute of Technology and Australian gun maker Metal Storm Ltd. are working on a prototype smart gun that would recognize its owner's individual grip.

``We're at an interesting age where all sorts of science fiction is becoming real technology,'' said Donald Sebastian, NJIT vice president for research and development and director of the project.

The technology could also eventually have an even bigger impact on the illegal gun trade, Sebastian said.

The FBI estimated that 67 percent of the 16,204 murders in 2002 were committed with firearms.

``You have a long-term benefit of making it much more difficult for a handgun to have any value to anyone other than the original owner,'' Sebastian said.

But until the smart-gun technology is repeatedly proved to be reliable, some law enforcement authorities remain leery.

The scanning device could malfunction, the officer's hand with the computer chip could be smashed during a fight or an officer might need to use a partner's gun, said West Palm Beach police training Sgt. William Sandman.

``We have power outages, computers crash. Would you risk your life knowing all those things that could go wrong?'' Sandman said.

Verichip's Bolton said those concerns already are being addressed. He said the guns can be designed to work for an officer, his partner and a supervisor. Departments could set routines where the scanning devices in guns could be checked before every shift.

The chip needs no battery or power source. It works much like those that have been implanted in pets over the past decade so they can be identified if they get lost. Verichip, a subsidiary of the Palm Beach-based technology firm Applied Digital Solutions, developed a ``more intelligent'' version two years ago for humans and estimates that about 900 people worldwide have been implanted with them.

The chips can be used instead of security key cards at office buildings or to use global positioning satellites to keep track of a relative who might suffer from Alzheimer's. It can store medical information that emergency rooms could read or financial and identification information to prevent fraud.

The chip, about the size of a grain of rice, is inserted into an arm or hand with a syringe _ much like a shot is given.

Bolton said the company has seen no medical complications and that the technology will only improve with time.

Once the technology is accepted, legislation could follow to encourage the use of smart guns. New Jersey already has passed legislation that will require smart gun technology on all handguns sold _ three years after the state attorney general certifies that smart guns are available in the marketplace.

The National Rifle Association opposes the legislation because of potential problems with smart-gun technology, but gun safety advocates argue that the technology could encourage gun ownership with the newfound sense of security.

``It seems that guns are the only product that haven't followed a path of development that leads to greater safety for the user. The only real change we've seen is to make them more lethal and smaller so they can be more easily concealed,'' said Rob Wilcox, a spokesman for the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence. ``This is one of the steps that hasn't been taken and we think this debate is one that needs to take place.'' ___

On the Net:

Applied Digital Solutions: http://www.adsx.com

FN Manufacturing: http://www.fnmfg.com/

New Jersey Institute of Technology: http://www.njit.edu/

Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence: http://www.bradycenter.org/

National Rifle Association: http://www.nra.org/
Copyright © 2004
 
WHEN WILL PEOPLE 'GET IT'???????

ELECTRONIC LOCKS DO NOT WORK!!! HOW CAN PEOPLE SIT AROUND AND DISCUSS THEM LIKE THEY MIGHT HAVE ANY SORT OF POTENTIAL???

Any idiotic electronic locking device of any sort can be circumvented with a battery and two wires or less. Any electronic device eventually actuates an electrically controlled switch. Any criminal and most children over the age of 12 know that it is stupid to be slave to a complex gimmick when all they need is a common battery.

:banghead:
 
two words: herf gun.

herf gun would equal unarmed cops.

This isn't a new idea. RFID tags are the new in thing. THey are looking at a jillion markets, and half of them are so far from new it isn't even funny. This is one. The S&W magnetic ring's list of problems is almost identical to the RFID list of problems. Except the RFID tag has more problems.

This is jsut the opposite direction of failure for the notion. Have a hammer, make the problem a nail.

AT NJIT, they had a problem, used it as an excuse to develop a solution to a more general problem to the point of being more economically viable, and now you will likely see them leave and take the tech with them when they go find something more practical to do with it that will likely be more successful.
 
Getting a Hand from your local officer

As soon as the local BGs realize that to use the cop gun they just stole, they'll need the chip in close proximity...

:eek: :what:
 
Who needs a bullet-proof vest,,, just carry a jammer..

Every well-dressed bank-robber will be.

That,,, and how many home-gunsmith solutions for removing or bypassing the locking systems on stolen guns will be on the net within a week of the first issue of such smart guns to Law Enforcement agencies?

Cooch
 
The idea doesn't seem to be to prevent stolen guns but to prevent cops from being shot by their own guns.
My question to the LEOs here is does that really happen that much?
Would the money spent on this technology be better spent on smart holsters or something?
What happens if they get into a Miami type situation, or for some reason their gun fails and they can't pick up a fallen officers,?
what happens, as cooch says, next week they develop a radio jamming vest?
Who's to say that that little chip doesn't have alot more info in it than they say it does
 
Why are we talking about cops? They'll be exempted from any laws and I expect the PBA would have hissy fits about having something implanted in the officers' hands.
 
Personally, I think safeties are excessive. They just lull people into a false sense of security and give you one more thing to fumble with in the dark. I don't see anything positive about them and I see even less positive about "smart guns."
 
Why are we talking about cops? They'll be exempted from any laws and I expect the PBA would have hissy fits about having something implanted in the officers' hands.
Because they are being developed for the police. Supposedly
The tiny chip would be implanted in a police officer's hand and would match up with a scanning device inside a handgun. If the officer and gun match, a digital signal unlocks the trigger so it can be fired. But if a child or criminal would get hold of the gun, it would be useless
 
If you think this is only aimed at police, think again. The real aim is demonstrated further down the page...
``You have a long-term benefit of making it much more difficult for a handgun to have any value to anyone other than the original owner,'' Sebastian.
New Jersey already has passed legislation that will require smart gun technology on all handguns sold _ three years after the state attorney general certifies that smart guns are available in the marketplace.

Besides which, the RFID idea can't prevent all shootings of police officers with service weapons because if an officer is struggling for control of his gun, his hands are necessarily near the gun. If the officer takes his hands away from the gun to prevent it firing, then the suspect has a bludgeon the officer can't block with his hands, lest it be transformed back into a gun.

The problem with all this is it's being driven by people in politics and technology who have no experiance in either defensive tactics or weapon retention.
 
I hope someone takes any NJ 'certified' smart gun, bypasses the mechanism in the firearm and makes a stink in the press about how the mechanism is actually a failure. I sure as heck will if the issue comes to CA.
 
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