New (to me) techniques.

[christophera]

I just read a couple of shotgun techniques from a special Surefire edition of Guns and Ammo and I wanted to bounce them off your guys heads.

1st is a new CQB tactic where you turn the shotty on its side, top of stock toward your face, and rest the stock on your shoulder. This enables you to basically shorten how far the shotty sticks out for close-in maneuvers.

2nd is a new way of thinking when it comes to pulling the shotgun tight to your body with both hands. This method calls for you to use your shooting hand to pull the shotty just tight enough to your body to hold it and your support hand actually pushing out, away from your body. This is what they call the Push-Pull method. It's said to reduce recoil by the support hand acting as sort of a shock absorber.

I was wondering what you guys thought about these two keeping in mind you need the second method to pull off the first. The man they say came up with this method is Rob Haught and I'll write the little description of him verbatum because I don't know if this guy is well known or not. Here goes: Rob Haught is the chief of police for Sistersville, WV and a firearms trainer who pioneered the Push-Pull system for shooting the combat shotgun. Private classes are available...

 

[Duke of Lawnchair]

christophera,

I read the exact same "Combat Tactics" edition and found the article quite interesting.

The curious animal that I am gave it a whirl and have practiced those techniques on quite a few range trips where I'm able to engage multiple steel targets (pretty much a 3gun course).

I'm not too keen on the "short-stocking" as it throws my wrist in an akward position, sort of how some paintballers "play tight" with their guns. Rob's "short-stocking" technique feels unnatural to me, BUT is very easily accomplished when executing the "push-pull" technique.

As for "cqb", I've never been in a situation which would require me to use such a method, but I do see it's merits.

"Push-pulling" felt unnatural at first, but I've become quite used to it. I'm not recoil sensitive, but I do admit that felt recoil is more like a gentle push. Follow up shots are much quicker when I "push-pull".

WIth that being said, I'm still in the midst of finding out what works best for me, and I can most definately understand Rob's rationale. Now, as to whether or not I truly adopt them, that's still up in the air.

Jim

 

[mnrivrat]

Sounds a bit like the gang banger shooting position only with a shotty instead of a nine. If you mount a proper sight wouldn't the side saddle interfere with sight plane ?

 

[sm]

Humm,
No offense, however, both of these sound like Methods and Adaptations Folks Grew up with and passed on for hunting in dense brush and basic fundamentals of gun mounting and handlings

I mean going back a l-o-n-g time ago. IIRC Old British "push -pull" and the "bird, belly, beak, bang" and many others have been adapted to many uses besides "English Driven Bird hunts.

Here in the States woodcock hunters have forever learned to shoot with "less than ideal" mounting methods. Stock tucked under and into arm pit shortens stock and allows one to manuever around trees , keep gun secure but at the ready, and works well for shooting from weak-side. I've popped many a quail shooting weak side in dense cover. Deer hunters have adapted or have had adaptations as well.

I was not present but a friend was. At a "gamers paradise" [a Grandpa's description] the young whippersnappers been paying the tax and shooting really short Shotgun bbls , so they can shoot the gun sideways. Semi's were not reliable, pump don't have the cool factor. [ "damn movies"]

Word is Grandpa had had knee surgery but told his son " Boy, hell show "em how we busted quail, woodcock and deer". 870 pump in 28 ga and the "Boy" run the stages to show his kid the grandkid ( and he ain't a gamer") Mind you this gun has a 26" bbl.

Jaws dropped, grandson's eyes bulged, other shooters applauded. " Hell I knew that grandson shoulda spent more time hunting than running off to Europe for schoolin'" .

Some stuff aways been around, just gets recycles and called "new" according to the generation that "discovers it".

Last I heard the grandson was taking lesson from grandpa and the dad. Had him on the ground shooting his shotgun and handguns. " Guns gotta work and a man's gotta know how to handle a gun upside down, port up/ port down, shooting overhead laying on his back...didn't teach that in Europe I bet". Guns don't mean spit if they don't run, no matter the hype, no amount of money buys skill".

 

[Duke of Lawnchair]

I believe that technique #1 is meant more for coming around corners where you don't want to telegraph with the gun.

OR

If you don't want to telegraph and want to avoid coming around the corner "low-ready" yet still want to have the gun up so you can still manage a first shot.

Then again, I haven't attended Rob's course.