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Alright ladies and gents, I'm about to ask a question that I'm sure you all encounter in this sub-forum on a regular basis. I'm currently in Iraq and internet time is few and far between...and once you do get on, it feels like 56k slow! I would do more research on my own, but I simply do not have the resources for it.

I am looking into getting started with reloading when I get home. I've read several articles and searched several forums about whether to get a single-stage or a progressive press. I've seen it go both ways, as far as which press is ideal.

When I shoot, I'm bringing at least 200-300 rounds of each type of ammunition I intend to shoot (9mm, .45 ACP, .30-06 for my Garand, and 12ga). I understand the virtues of having someone start out with a single-stage, but with the volume of rounds I consume, it doesn't make much sense to buy one press only to purchase another more expensive one down the road.

So what's the down and dirty scoop? I've tried the search function but I fail to see anything other than bias.
 
Well, bias is based on the summary of our experiences.

Single stage presses are simple and will be used, more often than you think, after you get a progressive.

Being cautionary, sometimes it is better to crawl before you walk, and walk before you run.

You did not mention your MOS, but they did not let you drive the real tank first thing, first day, did they?

For the amounts of ammunition you shoot, 200-300 rounds each, I am certain you will use a progressive for the pistol ammo. It took me about one hour, start to finish, to produce 60 rounds of pistol ammo, when I only had a single stage. Then I bought a Dillion 550 and life has been much better.

Still takes that long with rifle ammo. I size that stuff on a Redding T-7. Trim and prime off press, and use the Dillon to dump the powder and seat the bullet.

So, I do think you will go for the progressive in time, but if you make the stupid errors first on a single stage, you will cause less damage to things.

Just my opinion.

Thank you for your service to our country.
 
I bought a turret press for 9mm and .38/.357 and I do about 150 rounds an hour. I have not yet loaded any rifle ammo with it yet but I think it will work just fine. Given the amount of ammo you will be shooting, a turret or progressive press will save you a lot of time.
-jake
 
My view or take on this is to have you re-read Slamfire1's post...

Start with a good cast iron "O" single stage press to learn the ropes then move to a turret or progressive. But make sure you really understand what you are doing first. Then determine what you really need. I load and shoot about 300 to 400 rifle and handgun rounds a month and have not needed a progressive and really don't want one. I have reloaded for the last 22 years and have a Lee Classic Cast single stage press and a Lee Classic Turret. Might upgrade to a Lee Classic Cast turret after tax returns (if we get any this year)...

I, also, thank you for your service to our country....
 
I believe all prgresive presses can load 1 round at a time until you learn the ropes,then go prgressive when you feel confident that you are ready.

start with pistol..case trimming is all but uneccesary,and no lube required IF you use carbide dies.

rifle is harder..you;ll need a case trimmer for trimming AFTER resixing.LUbe is REQUIRED on rifle rounds.

shotgun...very little savings there,and will require a different press.

I"d reccomend a dillon 550b like mine,as you can go real slow while learning what each die does .
 
You said it well, SASS!

My first (and current) press was/is a Dillon 650 progressive. For the first few hundred rounds, I weighed every charge & checked every COL. Seeing that everything was okay, I graduated to checking every ten powder charges & COL.

That was 12 years ago. Today, after many, many thousands of rounds, I check the powder charge & COL every 100 rounds, when I refill the primer feed tube. If I'm really "in the zone", I'll perform the quality checks every 500 rounds.

No surprises & no kabooms; and the first press I bought will be the only press I'll buy - at least in this lifetime.;)
 
I would get the 550B and set it up as a single stage (one die at a time in the tool head) to start, including manually adding primers and loading in block batches. As you learn and gain experience you can use it like a turret press with all the dies in place making one round with three/four pulls, and when ready for full progressive, you will get one round made per pull.

Your question and circumstance is exactly why I always say go with the manually indexed 550B, simply because it allows so much flexibility and won't hold you back when you are ready to run. Obviously quality and safety over quantity; just the same I can produce silly amounts of great ammo in the calibers you mention quickly with my 550B when wanted. Even if you HATE the 550B, there are a ton of people who will give you practically what you paid for it should you want to sell.
 
Yeah, I was really looking into the Dillon 550B, but then I saw the Hornady Lock-N-Load AP.

I've heard the Hornady is tad bit more user-friendly.

Opinions?
 
Hey Tanker,

First off, Thanks for your service to our country.

Now...We have mostly Dillon users that have answered. I have 3 Dillons (2 XL650's and a 550B) as well, and i think the 550B and a good old fashioned single stage would make for a great bench.
On the other hand, a Lee Classic Turret and a single stage would solve your problems as well.

I have used the Hornady LNL AP and i think it is cool too. Maybe Shoney or Dave will chime in and give the front page on it.

Remember - Technique plays a big part of this as well so go with what you like. They are all great.

I hope I didn't come across as biased.
 
I just started reloading a week ago, and have the Lee Classic Turret press - and am really enjoying it. The nice thing is you can use it either as a single stage, or a turret - very quick 'n easy to change from one to the other. The posts I've read say you should be able to do about 200 rounds an hour once you get the hang of it. Takes me a bit longer, but am taking it slow at first to get the hang of it... Great way to reload IMHO...
 
My view or take on this is to have you re-read Slamfire1's post...

Start with a good cast iron "O" single stage press to learn the ropes then move to a turret or progressive. But make sure you really understand what you are doing first. Then determine what you really need. I load and shoot about 300 to 400 rifle and handgun rounds a month and have not needed a progressive and really don't want one. I have reloaded for the last 22 years and have a Lee Classic Cast single stage press and a Lee Classic Turret. Might upgrade to a Lee Classic Cast turret after tax returns (if we get any this year)...

I, also, thank you for your service to our country

Agree 100% and stay safe over there. Thank you again
 
Yeah, I was really looking into the Dillon 550B, but then I saw the Hornady Lock-N-Load AP.
Rumor has it that Hornady is making design changes to the AP in '09.
For that reason, I'd hold off on buying one.
I've heard the Hornady is tad bit more user-friendly.
Opinions?
My Hornady AP took considerable tweaking...every shellplate needed deburring, bushings needed larger o-rings, primer slide and subplate required polishing. And the powder measure wasn't accurate without the optional pistol rotor/insert.
It's now 99% reliable but it wasn't when I first got it.
 
I Salute You!

My son is serving overseas also (Army) and I know how slooooooooooooooow slow is in regards to the internet over there.

I used a Dillon 650 for many years reloading my highpower ammunition without one single problem. I did wear out parts and lost a few also. Dillon replaced them without any B.S! Now that is service! The press was very smooth in function and was a pleasure to operate.

I trust that this information will help you when you get back home.

Thank you very much for serving and protecting us!
 
Sir, I salute you. I'm one of the guys that couldn't afford a Dillon setup; I went with the semi-progressive Lee Classic Turret Press. It is a very good compromise between a single stage and a full tilt boogie progressive. It can be used as a single stage at any time and has an easy learning curve. And it is relatively inexpensive. I started with 45acp and have added another caliber. I began in January of 2008 and have loaded over 3000 rounds so far with no problems. I can load 150 rounds in an hour. Know this: loading will become a hobby in itself. For that reason, I don't want to load any faster. The loads I have "built" all go boom. I have had 2 squibs, one in each caliber. Both were operator errors. :eek: The operator has since fixed the problem. The operator simply looks into every single casing to make sure it has been charged with powder! I bought my Classic Turret Press from www.kempfgunshop.com in a kit form. I added some of the upgrades and then later bought another turret and carbide dies for the next caliber. The carbide dies and turret are very inexpensive and change out in about 1 minute. You can find the same stuff at Midway and other places, but Kempf had everything I wanted when I wanted it. I wish you only the best in your search and decision. Let us know how it shakes out.
 
USMC Tanker--

Your question is somewhat like "Which Truck Should I Buy, A Dodge, Ford, or Chevy?" If we are talking about a press that can "deliver the freight" and load the amount of ammo you are talking about there are several options. Just like buying a truck, as long as you are talking about units that will do the same job then it is a matter of which one feels better when you drive it.

For Progressives there are Dillons, Hornadys, and A couple of Lee presses. Each has its advantages and disadvantages. For myself, I chose a Dillon XL650. I shoot an average of 1,000 rounds per week of 9mm and an additional 500-750 rounds of .223 in my AR. I used to try and keep up with a LEE Progressive and found that I was loading every spare moment I had. Today I spend about 6-8 hours or so each week on loading tasks.

Something to consider. If you have to haul a couple of yards of gravel every week in your pickup, would you buy a "Mini-Truck" or a "Full Sized Pickup"? Same applys in selecting a progressive press. You need to compare capabilities and the desired task. The more you shoot, and the faster you want to reload, the more you need a top of line Progressive.

As for price, have almost as much money invested in presses I no longer use as I have in my Dillon. I found that I would replace the previous press with one I "thought" was a little more productive, always shying away from the Dillon as I felt it was too expensive. Today I wish I had purchased it first. I'd have more money left for components if I had.
 
Progressive press is needed for the volumes your talking about, but it's really tricky for those new to reloading (not entirey impossible though) as there are many steps of operation occuring at once, first there is depriming/sizing, then priming/case charging, as well as bullet seating all in each stroke of the lever.
Still you will find a single press handy later on, if you go that route first.

You guys who are willing to go to far away places and protect the innocent populations, some of our guys are over there too, and they all deserve a salute for being there.
 
Firstly gents, it's an honor to serve you all. It's especially good to hear people back home who appreciate what we're doing out here. This is my second deployment and I don't regret serving either tour.

So it sounds as though the progressive is the press for me. Now it's just a task of picking between the Dillon and the Hornady. The review I read (an owner who owned both, used both, and reviewed both) said the Hornady was a bit more user friendly when it came to cleaning and servicing. Changing out components for different calibers was supposed to be easier with the Hornady also. But if Hornady is changing their design for 2009, perhaps I should hold off for a while. BUT, I never stop hearing about how good the Dillon is!

Thanks a lot for you input!
 
I only own Lee presses and accessories. That out of the way, If I was to change that it would be for a Hornady due to the fact that you can get a bunch of free bullets with the press and parts are cheaper for the Hornady. The more you save on conversions the more you have for components. Nothing against Dillon, they have a great deserved rep, but for the cost of the changeover parts and other accessories, I would have a nice tricked out press ready to go with no components to load.
Of course if money was no option and you have plenty of time to load, I think I'd still go with the hornady and be well served.

Be safe and come back home soon. If you get anywhere near middle Tenn, I'll show you how how we load them in these parts with Lee equipment. ;)
 
I'll have to agree with Galil5.56 and some of the others, because I've used just about everything out there for the past 20 plus years (I used to work at an outfitter that sold new/used reloading and firearms, etc.). Go progressive. Even though I own products from ALL of the loading companies because they all have some great products, but most of them have some really dumb ideas about progressive machines, and they charge too much for something that IS going to break down. I'm not into having to fix something much that is suppoed to save me valuable time! Stuff breaks or goes out of timing. My Dillon hardly ever does that. Go Dillon RL550b if you can. It will even make some decent rifle ammo too, no matter what some folks say. You can run one process or all four, and if you mess something up, all you have to do is pull out the little brass button next to the casing and remove the messed up round. You can use the ultra simple Lee Auto-Disk powder measure or Dillon's powder measure with the machine too. Both are very consistent in powder dispensing - and I'm anal about that! You can also use any brand of reloading dies. It really doesn't matter.

Think about this also: how much is your time worth? Mine is very valuable. I'd rather spend less time making the ammo, and more time actually working on being a great shot. THAT machine will let you do that. And Dillon's customer service is very good. No, I'm not advertising for Dillon. I'd just rather you have fun on the range, and not cussing in the loading room. Peace. Out.
 
LGBLoader:
Why did you have to invite me to “tipi-toe” thru this minefield of big piles of Runny Cow Flop (RCF). Gotta call it RCF cuz Dillon “has no BS”.

USMC Tanker: You state how many cartridges you shoot on an outing, but didn’t list the frequency. Do you shoot these per week or month or what?

If the question was, ”Tell me about pistol powders?”. And someone posts, “I’ve only used UniTiteDot123. Because I’ve always used it, it’s the greatest powder since sliced cumquat and persimmon bread.” And they don’t compare it to any other powders or justify why it is the best. Would you put any faith in that powder or trust that poster?????????????

The same is true of recommendations on progressive presses. If they have only use one progressive, how the bleepity bleep bleep do they know it’s the best for them or you, when they have experience with only one progressive???????????????????

I started loading on a single stage press in 1960. About 17-18 years ago, I bought a used Dillon 550 and then became an official member of the blue buffoon battalion, and became guilty of spreading “lots of BS” blue bullroar. I was like so many of the dishonest or blindly brand loyal people who have never owned or loaded with any other progressive, yet cluelessly advocate for a single brand. Remember that they used to be the only game in town and have years of building up a loyal fan base.

When I first saw the Hornady LNL Auto Progressive 8-9 years ago, my blue product loyalty was badly shaken. I soon after bought the LNL Auto and have never regretted it. The 550 is still a good machine, and I have it dedicated to one cartridge. I used to load regularly with a friend on his 650; until one day (after years of loading on my LNL and after extensive testing we discovered that the LNL AP produces ammo with considerably less run out), he announced that his wife had given him permission to sell his 650 and buy an LNL.

The LNL AP is by far a much better machine than a 550 or 650. I could go on for pages as to why it is so much better if you are interested.

Sooooo!!!! Be careful who you listen to. Remember, “Caveat Emptor.” As my dear departed grandpappy used to say! Then he would loosely translate it as: “Never trust a naked used chariot salesman.”
 
Based on your reloading experience, the number of rounds you're looking at and making things affordable, here's my recommendation:

1. Buy yourself a Lee Classic Cast single stage and upgrade it with a Hornady LnL bushing conversion kit or Lee's breech lock kit.

2. Buy yourself a Lee Classic Turret press - this press will load approximately 200 rounds an hour with basically zero setup time. You can have a hundred rounds loaded before many progressives are setup and the caliber changeover bugs ironed out.

Add the following items:

Lee Pro Auto Disk Powder Measure
RCBS Uniflow Powder measure
Lee Auto Disk Riser
Lee safety prime, lg and sm primers kit
Dies for calibers you need, Lee brand will do fine - I recommend the Deluxe die sets for rifle and pistol, most bang for buck.
Hornady LnL case activated powder drop
RCBS, Dillon, or Hornady balance beam powder scale, any of those any of these companies sell
Tumbler, most any name brand will do
50/50 (you'll have to mix yourself) corn cob/ground walnut from the local pet store, fine ground btw
Rotating sifter to sift tumbling mix from brass, any name brand will do
Lee universal depriming die
Lee rifle charging die
Dillon super swage 600
Set of calipers
Akro Plastic bins, buy in quantity
Handful of dollar store plastic bins with lids to hold your brass
Couple of Akro bins sold at Target to hold your various bullets and "reloading goodies"
Wilson manual case trimmer to start, look at Giraud later down the road
RCBS Case prep station, motorized
Stoney point chamber measuring device for rifle
Stoney point case measuring devices for rifle/pistol

The above list is a set of equipment that is fairly simple to start up with, is reasonably affordable, give you most of the things you need to start reloading effectively and most of all, give you satisfaction and control with your reloading process.

The equipment listed is fast enough to provide enough ammo for most reloaders, but affordable enough it won't break the bank. (You may notice I added a bunch of stuff most reloaders don't mention or consider when they're first starting out, but soon find out they need or want.) When you factor in the extra "stuff," the habit can get kinda pricey, even without buying one of those higher priced progressive reloaders.

Can you get by without some of the stuff? Yes, but you'll make much better ammunition if you buy and use these extra measuring tools.

Additionally, go back to the beginning reload posting sticky at the top of the forum and read it. I think you'll find a good handful of books there you might want to buy several of BEFORE you buy the first piece of equipment. I'm willing to bet you can order them into your current local and read them there before you ship back stateside if you're quick about ordering. I recommend the ABC's of Reloading and Metallic Cartridge Reloading. Lots of good information and things that aren't mentioned in some of the other books.

Finally, before you spend lots of money on high priced presses, remember, those beasts need to be fed. If you're spend every dime you got on the press and accessories, you'll not have money for the brass, bullets, primers and powder. The presses I've listed are excellent quality and are two of the true bargains of the reloading equipment currently available.

And this is coming from someone who's owned or tried a good bit of the equipment out there. I have a Hornady LnL AP progressive and I've owned a Dillon 550, but if I were buying today, knowing everything I know, I would start with the presses I've listed at the beginning of this post.

If you have any questions, feel free to PM me, I'll be glad to help any way I can.

Note, you cannot load shotgun on metallic cartridge reloading equipment, but a box of shells can be loaded in an hour on a typical single stage shotgun shell reloader.

Always Faithful.

Best Regards,

Dave

P.S. Keep your rear end low short timer and thank you for your service.
 
LGBLoader:
Why did you have to invite me to “tipi-toe” thru this minefield of big piles of Runny Cow Flop (RCF

LOL - Because, Shoney my friend, you and Dave are known users of the Hornady LNL AP and I thought that our OP should have a nice balanced recommendation of gear. The Dillon is well represented and I thought he deserved to hear about the Hornady.

Not just that, your posts are sometimes very colorful. I'm glad you posted. You too, Dave.

Cheers...

LGB
 
Tanker - Thank you for your service and sacrifice.

As other's have said, it's a good idea to start with a single stage press. The Lee classic cast is a good choice. You will still be using it even after you move to a progressive for high volume reloading. I keep a universal decapping die in mine and would still be using it for rifle cartridges if I didn't have a turret press. I have never used my progressive for rifle cartridges and probably never will. I suppose a turret press would also work well for starting if you work in stages and check everything visually in a load block before moving to the next step.
 
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