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Hey y'all, I've been doing a lot of research on reloading and I just had some questions. I am planning on buying the Dillon RL 550B, do I have to buy dillon dies for that press or will any of the other brands work on that press. Also can anybody give a some sort of list or a link to a list of supplies and other equipment that would be needed to get started on a progressive press. Thanks
 
Brian Enos is the best source of Dillon products and information.
Lots of good information at:
http://www.brianenos.com/pages/dillonfaqs.html

Otherwise you need some books. The Dillon press instructions are necessary - they come with the machine, of course, but you can download them from the Dillon www and be reading up in advance - and a good loading manual is essential. The Lyman 49th edition book is good. Read the articles on how and why, don't just jump into the data tables and start looking for big numbers.

The ABCs of Reloading is commonly recommended.
 
Other suggestions to do some reading are spot on.

Just about any 7/8"-14 dies will work in the 550.
 
I use mostly RCBS dies in my 550b. That's what I already had before I went progressive.

Lyman 49th manual is THE universal go-to source in my shop. READ the general reloading sections, not just the load data.
 
Don't you need a dillion special die part for their powder drop unit ??

You have to buy a caliber conversion kit for each caliber & the powder funnel has to be installed in a dillion powder die at the powder drop station--the funnel also bellows the case mouth.
Any other company's dies will work for the other stations
Have fun
 
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Hey y'all, I've been doing a lot of research on reloading and I just had some questions. I am planning on buying the Dillon RL 550B, do I have to buy dillon dies for that press or will any of the other brands work on that press. Also can anybody give a some sort of list or a link to a list of supplies and other equipment that would be needed to get started on a progressive press. Thanks
Thanks for asking our advice and welcome to the forum. Reloading is a great hobby in and of itself and a terrifice adjunct to shooting.

Tell us something about yourself. It will help us compose answers that will be relevant to you.

What calibers will you be shooting? What are your goals? (Long-range targets, varmints, hunting large game, personal defense, Handgun, rifle, casual target shooting)

What kind of quantities do you contemplate? How many different calibers? Will you have a dedicated loading space or will you be putting your gear away after each loading session?

What's your budget?

There is lots of good advice out there, but not all of it will be good for your particular situation.

Looking forward to sharing what help I can give, I am,
Lost Sheep
 
I'm new to the reloading process too. I started with 9mm for several reasons. Brass is readily available and relatively low powder charge keep the cost down. Also the straight wall cases are more forgiving to the novice. Good luck, I'm really enjoying it.

Jeff
 
Well heres some answers for you Lost Sheep. I mainly shoot .223/5.56, 7.62x39, 30-06, .30 Carbine, and 7mm-08. But i plan to just start out reloading .223 because thats whats i shoot mainly. I mainly just target shoot and varmint hunt with the .223. I use the 7mm-08 for deer hunting. I want to make bulk .223 ammo.I have a dedicated work space for all of the equipment. My budget right now is give or take $1,500.00. Id really appreciate any tips and experience that you or anybody else can pass on to me. Thanks again
 
Well heres some answers for you Lost Sheep. I mainly shoot .223/5.56, 7.62x39, 30-06, .30 Carbine, and 7mm-08. But i plan to just start out reloading .223 because thats whats i shoot mainly. I mainly just target shoot and varmint hunt with the .223. I use the 7mm-08 for deer hunting. I want to make bulk .223 ammo.I have a dedicated work space for all of the equipment. My budget right now is give or take $1,500.00. Id really appreciate any tips and experience that you or anybody else can pass on to me. Thanks again
Thanks for the details. My experience is mainly with handgun loading and in the lower budget arena but with your needs now outlined, I am sure the answers provided will be more useful to you than otherwise.

Most "New Loader" threads start out with handgun cartridges in mind, so those mis-directed answers will be eliminated, especially if you edit your original post to mention your needs.

Lost Sheep
 
10 Advices for the Novice Hanloader

Anyone who can follow a recipe in the kitchen or change a tire can handload safely. It just takes care and a bit of humility. Handloading is not rocket science, but it does involve smoke and flame and things that go very fast, so care is to be taken.

I have thought of a few things I think are useful for handloaders to know or to consider which seem to be almost universal, so I put together this list.

So much is a matter of personal taste and circumstance, though. So, all advice carries this caveat, "your mileage may vary".

So you can better evaluate my words, here is the focus of my experience. I load for handguns (44 Mag, 45 ACP, 45 Colt, 454 Casull, 9mm, 357 Mag, 480 Ruger) a couple hundred per sitting and go through 100 to 400 centerfire rounds per month. I don't cast....yet.

When I bought my first gun (.357 Magnum Dan Wesson revolver), I bought, at the same time, a reloading setup because I knew I could not afford to shoot if I did not reload my own ammo. It cost me about 1/4 of factory ammo per round and paid for itself pretty quickly. I did not use a loading bench at all. I just mounted my press on a 2 x 6 plank long enough to wedge into the drawer of an end table.

I still believe in a minimalist approach and and try to keep my inventory of tools low. I do not keep my loading gear set up when not in use, either, but pack them away in small toolboxes until the next loading session.

Now, here are my Ten Advices.

Advice #1 Use Reliable Reference Sources Wisely - Books, Videos, Web Sites, etc.

Study up in loading manuals until you understand the process well, before spending a lot of money on equipment.

I found "The ABC's of Reloading" to be a very good reference. Short on loading data but full of knowledge and understanding of the process. Check out offerings in your local library. Dated, perhaps but the basics are pretty unchanging. I am told the older editions are better than the newer ones, so the library is looking even better.

Read as many manuals as you can, for the discussion of the how-to steps found in their early chapters. The reason you want more than one or two manuals is that you want to read differing authors/editors writing styles and find ones that "speak" to you. What one manual covers thinly, another will cover well so give better coverage of the subject; one author or editor may cover parts of the subject more thoroughly than the others.

As far as load data in older manuals, the powder manufacturers and bullet manufacturers may have better information and their web sites are probably more up to date. But pay attention to what the ammunition was test-fired from. (regular firearm vs a sealed-breech pressure test barrel, for example)

The public library should have manuals you can read, then decide which ones you want to buy.

There are instructional videos now that did not exist in the '70s when I started.

Richard Lee's book "Modern Reloading" has a lot of food for thought, and does discuss the reasoning behind his opinions (unlike many manuals, and postings). Whether right or wrong, the issues merit thought, which that book initiates. It is not a simple book, though and you will find it provocative reading for many years.

Only after you know the steps can you look at the contents of of a dealer's shelves, a mail-order catalog or a reloading kit and know what equipment you want to buy. If you are considering a loading kit, you will be in a better position to know what parts you don't need and what parts the kits lack.

Advice #2 All equipment is good. But is it good FOR YOU?

Almost every manufacturer of loading equipment makes good stuff; if they didn't, they would lose reputation fast and disappear from the marketplace. Better equipment costs more generally. Cast aluminum is lighter and less expensive but not so abrasion resistant as cast iron. Cast iron lasts practically forever. Aluminum generally takes more cleaning and lubrication to last forever. Lee makes good equipment, but is generally considered the "economy" equipment maker, though some of their stuff is considered preferable to more expensive makes. Just think about what you buy. Ask around. Testimonials are nice. But if you think Ford/Chevy owners have brand loyalty, you have not met handloaders. Testimonials with reasoning behind them are better. RCBS equipment is almost all green, Dillon, blue, Lee red. Almost no manufacturers cross color lines and many handloaders simply identify themselves as "Blue" or whatever. Make your own choices.

On Kits: Almost every manufacturer makes a kit that contains everything you need to do reloading (except dies and the consumables). A kit is decent way to get started. Eventually most people wind up replacing most of the components of the kit as their personal taste develops, but you will have gotten started, at least.

On Kits: Almost every manufacturer (and most major retailer) assembles a kit that contains everything you need to do reloading (except dies and the consumables). A kit is a decent way to get started without too much prior experience. Eventually most reloaders wind up replacing many of the components of the kit as their personal taste develops (negating the savings you thought the kit gave you), but you will have gotten started, at least.

On building your own kit: The thought processes you give to assembling your own kit increases your knowledge about reloading. You may get started a couple weeks later than if you started with a kit, but you will be far ahead in knowledge.

Advice #3 While Learning, don't get fancy Progressive or Single Stage? Experimental loads? Pushing performance envelopes?

While you are learning, load mid-range at first so overpressures are not concerns. Just concentrate on getting the mechanical steps of loading right and being VERY VERY consistent (charge weight, crimp strength, bullet seating depth, primer seating force, all that). Use a "fluffy" powder that is, one that will overflow your cartridge case if you mistakenly put two powder charges in it.

Learn on a single stage press or a turret press, or if on a progressive, only once cartridge at a time. While you can learn on a progressive press, in my opinion too many things happen at the same time, thus are hard to keep track of (unless you load singly at first). Mistakes DO happen and you want to watch for them ONE AT A TIME. Until handloading becomes second nature to you.

Note: A turret press is essentially a single stage press with a moveable head which can mount several dies at the same time. What makes it like a single stage rather than a progressive is that you are still using only one die at a time, not three or four dies simultaneously at each stroke.

On the Turret vs Single stage the decision is simpler. You can do everything on a Turret EXACTLY the same way as you do on a single stage (just leave the turret stationary). That is, a Turret IS a single stage if you don't rotate the head.

Learning on a progressive can be done successfully, but it is easier to learn to walk in shoes than on roller skates.

Also, a good, strong, single stage press is in the stable of almost every reloader I know, no matter how many progressives they have. They always keep at least one.

Advice #4 Find a mentor.

There is no substitute for someone watching you load a few cartridges and critiquing your technigue BEFORE you develop bad habits or make a dangerous mistake. (A mistake that might not have consequences right away, but maybe only after you have escaped trouble a hundred times until one day you get bit, for instance having case lube on your fingers when you handle primers; 99 times, no problem because primers are coated with a sealant, but the hundredth primer may not be perfectly sealed and now winds up "dead")

I started loading with the guy who sold me my press watching over my shoulder as I loaded my first 6 rounds to make sure I did not blow myself up, load a powderless cartridge or set off a primer in the press. I could have learned more, faster with a longer mentoring period, but I learned a lot in those first 6 rounds, as he explained each step. I educated myself after that. But now, on the internet, I have learned a WHOLE LOT MORE. But in-person is still the best.

After you have been mentored, mentor someone else. Not necessarily in loading or the shooting sports, but in SOMETHING in which you are enthusiastic and qualified. Just give back to the community.

Advice #5 Design your loading space for safety, efficiency, cleanliness

When I started reloading, I did not use a loading bench at all. I just mounted the press on a 2" x 6" plank long enough to wedge into the drawer of an end table My loading gear all fit in a footlocker and spread out on the coffeetable and the lid of the footlocker. Good leverage meant the table did not lift or rock. I still use the same plank, but now it is mounted in a Black & Decker folding workbench. A loading bench "bolted to the center of the earth" (as some describe their setups) would be more stable, but I do not feel deprived without it.

You will probably spill powder or drop a primer eventually, so consider what you have for a floor covering when you pick your reloading room/workspace. I would not try to vacuum up spilt gunpowder unless using a Rainbow vacuum which uses water as the filter medium. A dropcloth is practically infallible. Use cloth, not plastic. Less static, quieter and has less tendency to let dropped primers roll away.

Advice #6 Keep Current on loading technology

Always use a CURRENT loading manual. Powder chemistry has changed over the years. They make some powders differently than they used to and even some powder names may have changed. However, if you are using 10 year old powder, you may want to check a 10 year old manual for the recipe. Then double check with a modern manual and then triple check with the powder maker.

Read previous threads on reloading, here are a couple I read.
http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13543
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=11&sid=1efda7af229b625361fbd5ae1f754eec
The second one is a thread started by a new recruit to reloading which the moderators thought highly enough of to make it "sticky" so it stays on the top of the list of threads.

Advice #7 You never regret buying the best (but once)

When you buy the very best, it hurts only once, in the wallet. When you buy too cheaply it hurts every time you use the gear. The trick is to buy good enough (on the scale between high quality and low price) to keep you happy without overpaying. "The delicious flavor of low price fades fast. The wretched aftertaste of poor quality lingers long.

Advice #8 Tungsten Carbide dies (or Titanium Nitride)

T-C dies instead of regular tool steel (which require lubrication for sizing your brass) for your straight-walled cartridge cases. T-C dies do not require lubrication, which will save you time. Carbide expander button for your bottlenecked cases. Keeps lube out of the inside of the cases.

Advice #9 Safety Always Safety All Ways.

Wear eye protection, especially when seating primers. Gloves are good, too, especially if using the Lee "Hammer" Tools. Children (unless they are good helpers, not just playing around) are at risk and are a risk. Pets, too unless they have been vetted (no, not that kind of vetting). Any distractions that might induce you to forget charging a case (no charge or a double charge, equally disturbing). Imagine everything that CAN go wrong. Then imagine everything that you CAN'T imagine. I could go on, but it's your eyes, your fingers, your house, your children (present of future - lead is a hazard, too. Wash after loading and don't eat at your bench). Enough said?

Advice #10 Verify for yourself everything you learn. Believe only half of what you see and one quarter of what you hear. That goes double for everything you find on the internet (with the possible exception of the actual web sites of the bullet and powder manufacturers). This advice applies to my message as much as anything else and especially to personal load recipes. Hare-brained reloaders might have dangerous habits and even an honest typographical error could be deadly. I heard about a powder manufacturer's web site that dropped a decimal point once. It was fixed REAL FAST, but mistakes happen. I work in accounting and frequently hit "7" instead of "4" because the are next to each other on the keypad.

Good luck.

Lost Sheep
 
Hey y'all, I've been doing a lot of research on reloading and I just had some questions. I am planning on buying the Dillon RL 550B...My budget right now is give or take $1,500.00. Id really appreciate any tips and experience that you or anybody else can pass on to me. Thanks again
Since you have a generous budget, I'd suggest the 650XL instead.
Reasons: It offers 5 stations rather than 4. It auto-indexes. It's faster. It allows the use of a powder lock-out die or powder check die. And IMO, it's safer.

If you plan to load rifle, keep in mind that the 550 case feeder only works with pistol cartridges. The 650 does both.
As far as which dies to purchase, just stick with Dillon's.

Yes, the 650 is more money but you'll soon forget about that.
 
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