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New Winchester Super Grade Not So "Super"

Discussion in 'Gunsmithing and Repairs' started by Geno, Feb 16, 2010.

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  1. Geno
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    Dear The High Road Members:

    I thought I would post this here for all to see and follow. I purchased this Super Grade two weeks ago. Well, I am given pause by the lack of quality control. For a $930.00 plus tax firearm, I expect more. I have returned the rifle to Browning/Winchester and will post any updates from them. I have provided a link to this thread so the representatives might make posts if they choose.

    Geno



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  2. esheato

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    Tag....I'm at work and can't see the pics.
     
  3. Horsemany

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    Yuck!! They gotta fix it.
     
  4. Geno
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    Horsemany:

    You should see the stock in 3-D!! There is no way that anyone in QC reviewed that rifle. We'll now see how the repair goes. Thus far I have not been charged for the return shipping. It appears the dealer will pick that up. That's a smart way to not lose my business.

    Geno
     
  5. rswartsell

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    Geno,

    Did you have reason to believe that Winchester would not make this good? Also, is there a reason you don't want a replacement rifle?
     
  6. Geno
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    rswartsell:

    I have no idea if they will make it right or not. I've never had to return a Winchester. If they choose to issue a new rifle, I am fine with it, but I had to detail the what's wrong issues in the letter. Certainly simply issuing a new rifle would be easiest. Hopefully they will either make it right, or issue a new rifle without undue delay.

    Geno
     
  7. rswartsell

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    I hope so too Geno,

    I am looking forward to purchasing a new Model 70 in the not too distant future, I will follow your thread with interest.
     
  8. smokey262

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    Super Grade my a**

    Just out of curiousity, is the action glass/epoxy bedded? The last Model 70 I bought had the hot glue recoil lug bedding feature and it sat in the stock the same as your does.

    Hope they make it right for you.
     
  9. Geno
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    Yes, it is hard-bedded (resin). I wasn't real impressed with the bedding job. I didn't think to take pics of the interior of the stock...I should have.

    You are correct that is no Super Grade rifle. That is precisely why I posted here. People need to see what is being turned-out, and people need to hold the company accountable. I want to buy USA-made firearms especially now. But they durned-well better be as-good-as (or better-than) what else is available.

    Folks who have read my rants about Kimber know that I have extreme standards for firearms quality. They either are quality, or they are not. Kimber has lost my business for life, as a matter of principle. My principles can not compromised. So, here I sit waiting to see Browning/Winchester's principles.

    What’s the old saying, “Beauty is only skin-deep, but ugly goes all the way to the core”? In this case, the ugly goes all the way to the bore. Here are some other pictures of the stock. What a shame to have such a wonderful piece of walnut destroyed.

    Geno


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  10. Horsemany

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    That's a great piece of walnut. The only thing I think they may not make right is the floorplate IMO. I've not seen a FN m70 that didn't have a sloppy flooplate as you described. I'd be surprised if a replacement rifle would have a better floorplate.
     
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    Geno
    Did you look at the rifle before you bought it?
     
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    Yes, I did inspect it. That the barreled action's screws were not torqued snug made the barrel channel's errant fit far less pronounced. In fact, that is what the dealer attributed it to, that it simply needed torqued-down. When the barreled action is not torqued, it has a free-floated barrel. When it is torqued properly, only the right side free floats. Who knows...it may just be bedding issues. But that bore?! It wasn't possible to see in the bore at that store. This would have been a good rifle to have had bore-scoped before purchase.

    Geno
     
  13. NVMM

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    I understand. I feel your pain pal.
    I've been hearing of complaints about Remington but not much about Winchesters. Maybe a fluke?
    I hope you get taken care of (in a good way).
    Good luck
     
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    Proper bedding should keep everything centered up regardless of screw torque.
     
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    Can't believe they let that slip. Look forward to hearing their response. I plan to purchase a couple new Winchesters (a M-70 and 1895) in the near future, but my plans may change depending upon your results. Good luck.

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    Update. I called Winchester today to confirm that they had received the Super Grade. They have and it, and it is waiting for a gunsmith's examination. The gentleman stated it will take about 3 or 4 weeks. I did alert them that this thread exists, here at THR.org, and that there are nice photos for their review.

    Geno
     
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    Good grief what is taking them so long, I haven't even seen the rifle and I can tell what the problems are...it takes them a MONTH to do the same BEFORE starting work on it. Not so sure that I want a new M-70 now, but I will hold judgement until the rifle is assessed, repaired, and returned.

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  18. Geno
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    Yeah...I pointed them to this thread. Among other things, they will see that I reacted to this incident by purchasing a new Kimber M84 LPT in .308 Win instead of waiting for the new Stealth in .308. Depending on how they resolve the matter, I may still buy a Stealth. Then again, perhaps I won't. There are equally priced alternatives on the market.

    Geno

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  19. Jim K

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    That looks an awful lot like a sleeved barrel and a steel curl caught in the hammer forging mandrel. Both would be interesting in a rifle with Winchester on it.

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  20. Geno
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    Jim:

    What do you mean, "sleeved barrel"? And what's a "curl"? Even with all the years I've shot, I still keep learning new terms. :) Thanks for the patience.

    Geno
     
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    Sleeved barrel is just that, a liner with a sleeve, and a curl, most likely refers to a metal curl or chip from the rifling process getting trapped against the mandrill of the cutting head, wow, beautiful rifle, to look at, shame.
     
  22. Geno
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    Oh. No, it's a regular barrel, but the target crown makes it look sleeved. I too suspect that something was caught between the forging hammers and the steel. Their finding will be interesting.

    What gives me pause, it that it will take a month to repair?! How the Hades many defective Winchesters are going back anyhow?! :scrutiny:

    Geno
     
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    The marks in the barrel look to me like they were made by a clamping device of some sort.
     
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    Okay....now I'm confused
     
  25. Maverick223

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    I imagine that he decided that he didn't care for Kimber after he purchased it. ;)
     
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