New York .50 Ban/Turn-In?

[vigilant1]

The only answer is to fight. At first with words, failing that. . .

 

[TexasRifleman]

MOVE ! MOVE NOW ! And write a letter to the editor TELLING THEM WHY YOU ARE MOVING !

I know this is the cliche answer but it's to that point in all seriousness.

There simply isn't any reality left when a state starts down this road.

Only alternative is to take your tax dollars to a state that wants them.

Or just take whatever they do to you. You no longer have a voice.

 

[maroast]

Only alternative is to take your tax dollars to a state that wants them.

Yup. I was born and raised in NY. I will never go back. My parents just bought a house in AZ and will be leaving NY as well. My fiancees parents/ grandmother moved out of NY and went west too.

I know a TON of people that are sick of the ridiculous taxes/ legislation/ restrictions and are simply leaving.

 

[ManBearPig]

Moving to a progun state is probably the best answer. I live in Missouri, and there isn't a chance in hades that anything like this would ever pass here, because we are a very progun state. And considering, at the federal level, the Senate just passed the amendment to allow guns in parks with a vote of 67-29, there's no way (with those kinds of pro-gun numbers) that they can do this federally. So let them take New York to the ground, there are still plenty of pro-gun states where anything goes.

 

[toivo]

Does anyone know of a website that has info about what is going on with our NYS gun laws, and how to track current bills like this one? Because is seems that if we don't keep informed and let our politicians know that we will use our "vote", they will keep infringing on our 2A here in NY state.

The New York State Rifle and Pistol Association is a very helpful organization in that regard:

http://www.nysrpa.org/

Also, NRA-ILA sends its members legislative alerts tailored to where they live, giving info on the bills and how to contact their reps, etc.

Just FYI, these bills get floated every year. In the past, the New York State Assembly, which skews heavily toward the downstate population center (a.k.a. NYC), has always passed them, and the Senate, which tips the balance back toward the upstate counties, has always defeated them. (God bless bicameral legislatures.) This year, however, the Democrats have taken a razor-edge majority in the Senate. It's all riding on a few Blue Dog Democrat swing voters.

It's not just the .50 ban. There's a raft of other garbage: microstamping, mandatory $1,000,000 in liability coverage for gun dealers, 5-year renewals on carry permits (which are currently good for life), broadening the definition of "assault weapon" (yes, NY still has an AWB), etc.

Nail-biter in NY, folks...

 

[Extremely Pro Gun]

I hate when bastages in our govenment ignore utter fact!!! This country is turnng into a France

 

[USAFNoDAk]

MOVE ! MOVE NOW ! And write a letter to the editor TELLING THEM WHY YOU ARE MOVING !

And if you do so, please include in your letter to the editor how much you've paid in state taxes including property, sales, income, fees, etc. over the past year, if you have the records to do so. You can at least estimate. You should have hard numbers on income tax, property tax, city taxes, vehicle tax, telephone taxes, cable TV tax, utility taxes, hunting/fishing license fees, etc. Sales tax is a harder number to come up with, so you may have to SWAG that one. You might be surprised at how much money you've been paying the state of New York and the local municipality you live in or are "governed" by. If you include that in your letter to the editor, it might prompt some others to follow suit. All of a sudden, the public may start to realize that the the state is pushing out the people who pay for all of the social programs, police, schools, fire dept. etc. It's just an idea. Some folks don't want it made public as to what they pay in taxes because then others can figure out how much income they make. So be it. However, drastic situations sometimes require drastic actions.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

The bill applies to both new and used rifles for dealers, and everything that anyone bought.

Not really - the turn-in paragraph at least, if it's replicated here correctly, applies ONLY to a "USED" firearm, whatever that means. It's gray/arguable. You could argue that factory test firings don't count; that a firearm does not become "used" until it's fired; the gov't will argue that it's "used" the moment you buy it. The dealers would have a much much stronger argument that an unsold, unfired (except at the factory) gun is NOT "used".

Regardless, much wiser to simply try to prevent the whole thing from passing, obviously.

 

[Duelist]

Hmmm

If this passes, I will gladly march my .50 T/C Hawken down to the State Police and demand my $8500.

 

[Foofles]

OOPS! You're right, I misread the paragraph:

 28    2.  WITHIN  THIRTY  DAYS  OF  THE  EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS SECTION, ANY
   29  LICENSED FIREARM DEALER WHO HAS IN HIS OR HER POSSESSION A [B]NEW[/B]  50-CALI-
   30  BER WEAPON SHALL BE ENTITLED TO RETURN SUCH WEAPON TO THE DISTRIBUTOR OR
   31  MANUFACTURER,  AND  SHALL BE ENTITLED TO A FULL REFUND, OR CREDIT, IN AN
   32  AMOUNT EQUAL TO THE PURCHASE PRICE OF SUCH WEAPON. IN ANY CASE  WHERE  A
   33  DISTRIBUTOR OR MANUFACTURER FAILS OR REFUSES TO SO REFUND OR CREDIT SUCH
   34  DEALER,  THE  DEALER  SHALL  NOTIFY THE DIVISION OF STATE POLICE, AND IT
   35  SHALL IMMEDIATELY NOTIFY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SO  THAT  HE  OR  SHE  MAY
   36  INTERCEDE  AND  TAKE SUCH ACTIONS ON BEHALF OF THE DEALER TO SECURE SUCH
   37  REFUND OR CREDIT.

Looks like it's not mandatory for NIB rifles at dealerships and manufacturers.

I think you hit it on mark there, it'll be interpreted in such a way that anything you buy from the shop is used. Kind of like automobiles, the moment you put the keys in the ignition it's used.

And yeah, let's just hope this flops. Even though I personally have never even seen a 50 caliber rifle in person and have no intention of ever getting one, I don't subscribe to the "I don't need it, nobody needs it" philosophy.

 

[zminer]

New or used, it doesn't matter. Read the section right before the part where it talks about the difference between new and used:

S 231. COMPLIANCE WITH THE BAN ON THE SALE, POSSESSION OR USE OF 50-CALIBER WEAPONS

Even if the wording weren't as clear as it is - as I said before - given New York State's history, there will be no legal wrangling about this. It's clear what the intent of the law is, and if it passes, .50 caliber owners won't be able to successfully go to court and get their possession charges overturned on a technicality of this nature.

Also, this won't apply to muskets and such:

NOTHING IN THIS SUBDIVISION SHALL BE CONSTRUED TO INCLUDE ANY MUZZLE LOADING RIFLE OR SHOTGUN WITH A RIFLED BORE