New York Gun Laws FELONY!

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There is much of this story left to be told I'm sure. The NY police as fuff has pointed out are reacting to something that in most of the free parts of this country would not even get notice. The cause of the standoff could be related to many reasons the least of which is 2 deployments in a war zone and the training he has recieved from the gov.
The only crimes cited in the article are the gun charges. I wonder if the cops got a tip and over reacted and things escalated from there?
I hope the OP would keep us posted, and I will try to follow as well.
If the guy is straight then I wish the best for him.
I guess in the perfect world the Military would move their bases to states that didn't prosecute their soldiers for BS laws.
 
I call BS...a search & seizure warrant is based on probable cause and signed by a judge.

Sorry, the mere fact that a gunshot occurred near a particular residence is not PC. There's a bit missing from this, like the initial violation.

As far as a search being deemed illegal, anything found in the course of an illegal search is inadmissable.
 
Is this a joke?
In the entirety of NY State, one cannot possess a pistol sans a spuriously issued permit?
Shame on all of you for allowing this to perpetuate.
 
alright, let's get this all out in the open:

Possession:

Rifles and Shotguns: There is no state licensing requirement for the possession of a rifle or shotgun, although any person convicted of a felony or other serious offense and any person who "has been certified not suitable to possess a rifle or shotgun" (mentally incompetent) is prohibited from possession. A person who has been convicted of a felony or other serious offense may obtain a certificate of good conduct which will then permit him to possess rifles and shotguns. Generally, it is unlawful for anyone under the age of 16 to possess any firearm; however, a rifle or shotgun may be possessed by a person between the ages of 12 and 16 who is engaged in supervised target shooting on a range. A minor at least 14 years of age may hunt with any rifle or shotgun, provided he has a valid hunting license and is accompanied by his parent, guardian or other parentally-designated adult who also holds a valid hunting license.

Handguns: A license is needed to possess a handgun in one's home or place of business. Application is made to the "licensing officer" of the city or county where the applicant resides, is principally employed or where his principal place of business as a merchant or store keeper is located. (The licensing officer in New York City and Nassau County is the Police Commissioner; in Suffolk County, the Police Commissioner or Sheriff; elsewhere in the state, a county judge or some other designated judge or justice.)

The determination whether to grant the license has been held to be completely within the discretion of the licensing officer. However, the licensing officer must state "specifically and concisely" in writing the reasons for such denial. A denial can be overturned in court only if shown to be "arbitrary and capricious." In Westchester County the applicant must have successfully completed a firearms safety course and test. A license may be granted to an applicant who is of good moral character, over the age of 21 years, has not been convicted of a "serious offense," (This includes misdemeanors and violations as set forth in Section 265.00, Subd. 17, PL.) states if and when he has ever been treated for mental illness and as to whom "no good cause exists for the denial of the license." The age requirement shall not apply to persons honorably discharged from the military. Persons between age 18 and 20 may possess and use a handgun at an indoor or outdoor pistol range located in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly incorporated organization organized for conservation purposes or to foster proficiency in small arms or at a target pistol shooting competition under the auspices of or approved by the NRA and while under the immediate supervision, guidance and instruction of a certified instruction and while possessing or using the instructor's licensed handgun.

A license may be granted to an applicant who is of good moral character, has not been convicted of a "serious offense," (This includes misdemeanors and violations as set forth in Section 265.00, Subd. 17, PL.) states if and when he has ever been treated for mental illness and as to whom "no good cause exists for the denial of the license." An investigation will be conducted of all statements required in the application. This includes taking the fingerprints and physical descriptive data of the applicant. One copy of the fingerprints will be forwarded to the FBI for a search of their criminal records. The failure or refusal of the FBI to make the fingerprint check shall not constitute the sole basis for refusal to issue a permit.

The licensing officer may, in his discretion, add restrictions to the license, limiting the places where the handgun may be kept or carried. No demonstration of "need" to possess is required to obtain an "on premises only" license valid for one's home or place of business, although "need" may be required for a license not restricted to one of those locations. An "on premises only" license authorizes the possession of a handgun only at the location written on the license. It does not authorize the holder to take such handgun to any other place.

Applications for licenses must be acted upon within 6 months after presentment. If there is a delay, there must be written notice to the applicant stating the reasons. Such delay may be only for "good cause." The statute provides that the failure of the FBI to process fingerprints is not a good cause for delay.

If issued, the license is valid until revoked, except in New York City, where the license shall expire not more 3 years after the date of issuance, and in Nassau, Suffolk, and Westchester Counties where the license shall expire not more than 5 years after the date of issuance. In Westchester County a license shall be recertified every 5 years prior to April 1. Certification means that the licensing officer shall be provided with the licensee's current name and address, date of birth, and the make, model, caliber, and serial number of all handguns currently possessed. The license fee is fixed by the board of supervisors in each county, with a $10.00 limit prescribed by state law. The Division of Criminal Justice Services sets the fingerprinting fee, which is currently $74.00. The fee for each amendment to the license is $3.00 ($5.00 in Suffolk County). In New York City and Nassau County, the City Council and Board of Supervisors, respectively, set the license fees without state law limitation. Each handgun possessed must be listed on the license by make, model, caliber and serial number. The only exception is possession of a properly licensed handgun by another licensee at a target range. Personal information submitted by the applicant to obtain the license becomes a matter of public record.
 
OK, the "standoff" would explain the felony charges.

Mere possession at home is a misdemeanor. If the cops come and search your residence and happen to find a handgun, it would be a misdemeanor in NYC and I'm sure the rest of the state is not stricter than NYC.

Good luck to the guy, hope he can beat the charges.
 
also - there's one other catch about this:

Carrying:

A license to possess a handgun serves also as a license to carry unless restricted. If there are no restrictions written on the license, the licensee is permitted to carry a handgun, loaded or unloaded, concealed, on or about his person. An applicant for a license to carry must be required to show, in addition to the requirement for possession, that "proper cause exists" for the issuance of such a license; for example, for target shooting, hunting, or self-defense. The license can be amended to include one or more additional or different handguns. The licensee is required to carry the license on his person at all times when carrying a handgun. Possession of any "loaded" rifle or shotgun in a vehicle is illegal. A loaded handgun may be carried in a vehicle by a properly licensed individual. ("Loaded" means loaded in magazine or chamber. A loaded handgun means one for which the person possesses ammunition.)

So basically - you have to apply for a license to have a handgun - but your license is also your Concealed Carry permit. Really not NEARLY as bad as some people seem to want to make it out to be.
 
I call BS...a search & seizure warrant is based on probable cause and signed by a judge.

I don't see where the OP said they had a warrant. I believe it may have been a search incidental to an arrest or a consent search. Neither of which need warrants.

Doesn't matter, the OP has chosen not to update or respond.

His buddy however, needs some help. Legal and perhaps otherwise.
 
Aw, come on guys. Doesn't it all sound a little far fetched to begin with? No offense to OP intended, but I call BS on this one.
 
Ah, but in the backward State of Arizona I need neither a "licence to possess," nor a licence to open carry. If I want to carry concealed I don't have to go to some judge or other official and beg. If I meet the qualifications (which are quite easy) I'll get a CCW.

If I am not disqualified by law (in other words a prohibited person) I don't have to contended with any state or local regulations at all. If I want to own a machine gun I can, after jumping through the hoops imposed by the Federal N.F.A.

At the age of 18, one can private-purachase a handgun and open carry it. Should I decide to carry a loaded handgun in my car I can do so, with no required license or permit.

Please explain why I might have any reason to move to New York?
 
also - another little tidbit of information:

Second person arrested
over standoff on Nov. 4

Watertown police have made a second arrest as a result of the three-hour armed standoff they had Nov. 4 at 536 Arsenal St.

Jared L. Staggs, 23, Fort Drum, was charged Thursday morning with third- and fourth-degree counts of criminal possession of a weapon. He awaits grand jury action.

Police said he was not present during the standoff, but a gun seized at the scene, a .40-caliber semiautomatic pistol with a large-capacity ammunition feeding device, is owned by Mr. Staggs. The gun is registered in Texas, but is not licensed in New York, making it illegally possessed, police said.

The man in the standoff, Cornelius B. Dickson, 31, who was staying at 536 Arsenal St., faces the same two weapon counts. He is a Fort Drum soldier and a veteran of combat in Iraq.

so let me get this straight...
Guy leaves guns at his buddy's house.
Buddy mixes it up with cops in a 3 hour standoff.
They both end up in jail.

Tell me again why i'm supposed to feel sorry for either one of these people?
 
Another unfortunate that owned (oh I shudder in horror) a .40-caliber semiautomatic pistol with a large-capacity ammunition feeding device in New York. New York dingbats in the media can't even say "magazine." Instead it's a "large-capacity ammunition feeding device." :eek:

In Arizona or Texas they'd be free as a bird, but not in New York. Excluding the supposed stand-off, all I see here as a crime is simple possession of unregistered handguns and one 10-round magazine. Since New Yorkers see this as a crime I will be delighted to remain in Arizona. Here I can own all the semiautomatic pistols and large-capacity ammunition feeding devices that I want, without even a hard look from the authorities. I presume that this is one of the perks you get by living in fly-over country... :cool:
 
Excluding the supposed stand-off

I don't see how you can exclude the supposed stand-off. That's kind of at the heart of this whole situation.

Speaking of which - in your great freedom loving state of arizona - what would happen if a couple of your guns turned up in a house where somebody holed up in a standoff with police? Think perhaps there might be some interest in you, and some interest in how those guns got there? I'm guessing probably...
 
The details concerning the stand-off are not too clear, and I wouldn't trust a New York media report any further then I could throw a bull... well you know what... :D

But anyway, under the circumstances you describe...

If I hadn't been there an investigator would call and ask if perhaps my guns had been stolen. If I said, "no" they'd ask, "any idea how they got into the house? Let's say I said, "yes, I loaned them to so & so."

Now you must understand that in Arizona, unlike New York, there would be nothing illegal here. The guns don't have to be regestered (in fact gun registration is against the law) and 10-round magazines are not prohibited. Apparently the two individuals in question didn't have a prior criminal record, so I wouldn't be in thouble for loaning them guns - regardless of how many rounds the magazine might hold.

So the investigator would tell me, "We have to hold the guns in evidence for the time being, but when the case is settled one way or another you'll get them back."

Part of the reason I live in Arizona is because of the difference in the way this case would be handled between here and New York - which I won't even visit.
 
The details concerning the stand-off are not too clear, and I wouldn't trust a New York media report any further then I could throw a bull... well you know what...

Are you suggesting they completely made up a 3 hour police standoff? That would be pretty ballsy - even for "new york media".

Although - it is worth mentioning that New York as a whole is not NEARLY as liberal as New York City. New York City just happens to make up a bulk of the population. Kinda like how the entire state of Nevada is as deep red as it comes, except for Las Vegas....
 
Warrantless search -with no exception- comes to mind. Evidence gathered from the warrantless search may be inadmissable.

Yes, he needs to SHUT UP and talk to a lawyer. JAG will talk to him for free, make some phone calls to the DA, etc. but will not be able to represent him in a civilian criminal court. The bad news is that he may also face military charges (administrative punishment or greater) even if NY drops the case. It's up to the military Trial Counsel and his chain of command. But he absolutely needs to SHUT UP and talk to a lawyer!

I'm willing to bed he's already made his bed with consent or confessions however. If that's the case he's got an uphill battle.
 
I have no idea what provoked the stand-off, but in Arizona there wouldn't have been one because no crime had been comitted. The pistols didn't have to be licensed/registered, possessing them in and of itself was not illegal, and there was nothing wrong with having a 10-round magazine. These two are apparently in the Army, and one or both have been in combat, putting their lives on the line so to speak. Unfortunately they had the misfortune to be reassigned to New York - something I wouldn't wish to happen to anybody.
 
I have no idea what provoked the stand-off, but in Arizona there wouldn't have been one because no crime had been comitted. The pistols didn't have to be licensed/registered, possessing them in and of itself was not illegal, and there was nothing wrong with having a 10-round magazine. These two are apparently in the Army, and one or both have been in combat, putting their lives on the line so to speak. Unfortunately they had the misfortune to be reassigned to New York - something I wouldn't wish to happen to anybody.

Well - but again, without knowing what sparked the standoff - you don't know if a crime had been committed do you?
We're making assumptions based on a 2nd hand story that has yet to be clarified, a half-dozen line police blotter entry, and some bias against the state of new york. Hardly looking at cold hard facts objectively.

I think if you look at what is there, and what has been said - something doesn't add up, and there's a whole lot more to this then has been let on thus far. Don't you think?
 
Watertown police have made a second arrest as a result of the three-hour armed standoff they had Nov. 4 at 536 Arsenal St.

Jared L. Staggs, 23, Fort Drum, was charged Thursday morning with third- and fourth-degree counts of criminal possession of a weapon. He awaits grand jury action.

Police said he was not present during the standoff, but a gun seized at the scene, a .40-caliber semiautomatic pistol with a large-capacity ammunition feeding device, is owned by Mr. Staggs. The gun is registered in Texas, but is not licensed in New York, making it illegally possessed, police said.

The man in the standoff, Cornelius B. Dickson, 31, who was staying at 536 Arsenal St., faces the same two weapon counts. He is a Fort Drum soldier and a veteran of combat in Iraq.

What I am saying is this is an outrage. One of the two men is a Fort Drum soldier and a combat veteran. The other one likely is too. I suspect that the stand-off probably happened because Dickerson paniced when the house was raided. There may have also been some flashbacks to his experiences in Iraq. The other man (who wasn't even in the house) is also from Fort Drum, probably a soldier, and likely also a combat veteran. They're crime is to have possessed 2 handguns, with one having what the idots call a "large-capacity ammunition feeding device." If they had been in Arizona rather then having the bad luck to be in New York none of this would have happened. Those are the cold hard facts - at least as they have been represented to us.

Do I have a bias against New York and its gun laws? You bet I do! You haven't noticed that there a lot of things that I can do that you can't? The difference is called individual freedom. Some enjoy it and others do not. You don't. It's as simple as that.
 
You haven't noticed that there a lot of things that I can do that you can't?

I live in Nevada - there's probably not a whole heck of a lot you can do I can't. :D

The law sucks. Nobody's denying that.
The problem is - it is the law. Sucks or not - live by it or pay the price. Guy didn't live by it, he paid the price. It sucks - but I have very little sympathy.
The NY law is an inconvenience, yes. But there's not much of an excuse there.
 
'Ya know, Arizona sounds so wonderfull I don't know why they just don't shut down all those other states and everybody just move there.

Look, all the states have different laws, and people live in them for many different reasons. To have someone from one state tell how wonderfull their state is is and how bad someone else's is ....well, need I say more?

All I can say is it's been my experience after almost 40 years (and counting) as a peace officer, that it's extremely rare to get "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" from anybody.
 
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