New York Times: "Citing Danger to Planes, Group Seeks Ban on a Sniper Rifle"

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I'm a General Aviation pilot so I'm not sure about all the tests that are conducted for engine certification. I *do* know they test for bird and water ingestion as well as containment (they rig a blade to shatter with an explosive charge and then detonate while the engine is at speed).

I would doubt they test specifically for responses to bullet entry (unless they use a projectile to substitute for gravel or rock ingestion).

Again, a commercial airliner must be able to lose an engine and either have enough runway to stop or enough runway and performance to continue the takeoff otherwise they cannot go.
 
2 Topics: Engine Damage, Hidden Agenda

Engine Damage:

Before he retired, my dad was a metallurgical QC guy for Pratt & Whitney. According to him, when I asked many years ago, freakazoid shots aside, jets will simply eat and spit out anthing bullet sized, and are known for taking a surprising amount of damage before needing to be taken offline.

Hidden Agenda:

Buried in the HCI materials on .50 cal (heavy) sniper rifles is a call for bans on heavy and medium sniping rifles.

Now, (scratching head) just WHAT is a medium sniping gun? They don't say, but my guess is that it's anything larger than .22.
 
Airwolf and Geek:
Thanks for the info! I hope that this is able to counter all of the various .50 caliber shoot-down scenarios the antis are trying to gin up to ban various weapons.
 
The tactic of nitwits like Diaz is to get someone to admit that something is possible, then immediately start talking about the consequences of the event, totally disregarding probability.

IOW, if it is possible to do, then "we have to stop it", blah,blah.

Disregarding that the possibility has a probability of occurence lower than winning the lottery, or having your living room be selected as the site for the Second Coming of Christ.

Once you engage them on thier terms, you lose the battle of perception, where the true level of risk is ignored, and everything discussed is the worst-case.

In the case of Diaz and his cohorts, everything revolves around engaging in 'debates' involving worst-case scenarios involving firearms, in order to scare the maximum number of people to the maximum degree possible, to achieve the results they want. Fear is a big motivator, particularly among the 'soccer-mom', 'bliss-ninny' target audience of gun control/banning proponents.

You cannot say, for instance, "When has X ever happened?", because that is a weak response that admits the possibility, however slight.

What is the best way to steer the argument in a winning direction, from our perspective? Diaz and his ilk love for us to start quoting the Second Amendment, and the tyrannical government stuff. Then they can paint us as a bunch of nutbags bunkered up somewhere in Montana or Idaho waiting for the revolution.

We have to steer things to a level that maximizes our advantages.

I have something I have to do that can't be avoided, but let's talk about this, maybe in another thread.
 
To continue:

The war of words with the 'control/ban' types is not about truth. It is about the perception of truth. Two vastly different concepts. For them to "win" any confrontation, what is true does not matter. It's what people think is true that matters. Thus, they can make any outrageous statement (23 kids/day, assault rifle, sniper rifle, etc.), and as soon as we concede any fragment of that statement (it's only 6 kids, or 2, or 1), it will be turned into "SEE! They admit it!". In fact, the concession doesn't even have to be made by 'us', or anyone on 'our' side. It just has to be made by someone people believe, or want to believe. Like an elected official.

Any debate team members, here? (I wasn't). There has to be a way to steer this type of argument back to reality, or at least to a level more advantageous to us. Facts alone will not suffice, as the average person is not a debate judge, with a scorecard handy. Besides, for every number we have, they'll make two up, if they have to. After all, these people think it's ok to rewrite the Constitution, history, the news, or whatever, for a 'good' cause. Again, we're dealing solely in perception. But what is sauce for the goose...

This is (high duh factor, I know) an uphill struggle. Most major

and minor media outlets are on the wrong side of this issue. They will, for the most part, gleefully participate in scaring the bejesus out of the general public at every opportunity. For every one person espousing points we would agree with that gets air time, they will get 2, or 4, or ten.

I hesitate to suggest it, but if they can play on emotions, maybe we should, too. It is a strategy that should be exploited more. If Wayne LaPierre is going on a major 'news' program, he should take some poor victim, preferably female, on the show and play up the 'if only I could defend myself' angle, with lots of tears, etc. Yeah, it's cynical and exploitative. But that is exactly the kind of stuff that is killing us, no pun intended.
 
Copuld have read ...

IMO Seagulls or even Sandpipers could present a serious danger to jet liners in this situation:

A Seagull lies in the weeds or is hidden in a dump on the takeoff end of the runway, his line of sight is right up the runway.

He picks a large twin engine as his target, say a 757. As the plane approaches takeoff speed he flies directly into the engine, causing the turbine blades to shatter and the engine to explode (not every time, but often.)

The big fully loaded plane taking off when one engine disintigrates. Big big problem for the pilot.

Or worse, put two Seagulls in the weeds or in the dump, one for each engine. Very high likelihood of causing a crash. Very low cost. <P>Very easy 12 foot diameter target, that just gets bigger as it comes straight at the Seagull.
 
I am totally sick of hearing the word "terrorist" !!!
I can't even stand to watch the news anymore..........because all that is ever discussed seems to be the worst possible scenario or the horrible things that "could" happen. I hope that most people are not as stupid as the VPC's and the HCI's think we are. The news is so biased anymore you have to be a hamster to fall for that crap. I have been curious about the big fifties but never sought to purchase one because I really don't have any use for it, BUT If .50's become a target for the 9V$$!3$ that use fear to breed insecurity, I will DEFINITELY buy one and see to it that at least four of my closest shooting buddies all buy one..........................as an INVESTMENT IN FREEDOM !!!!!!!

BRING ON THE PLATINUM VISA CARD !
 
How the HELL do these idiots keep getting the press coverage they do???

It boggles the mind.

- Gabe
 
I suspect that one could "take out" an airliner or helicopter with a 30-06 too, and most rifles firing the 30-06 are a whole lot easier to handle than 50's are.
 
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