New York Times Piece on Minnesota CCW (terrible).

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http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/09/05/opinion/edverlyn.php



Minnesota blows away public safety
Verlyn Klinkenborg The New York Times

NEW YORK A couple of weeks ago, I checked into a hotel in Bloomington, a Minneapolis suburb framed by the airport and the Mall of America. On the hotel door was a sign: "Firearms Banned on These Premises." The next day I drove to St. Joseph, an hour west of the Twin Cities, where I saw the same sign. Slowly the logical conclusion sank in. If firearms are banned on these premises, then they must not be banned in other places.

Sure enough, a year ago the state Legislature passed a "concealed carry" law, which means that it's legal to carry a concealed weapon if you have a permit. So that no one misses the point, the Legislature has also turned Minnesota into what is called a "shall require" state. If you apply for a concealed-weapon permit, the local authorities must grant it to you.

I asked one of the state coalitions opposed to these laws whether it would attack them in the Legislature this year. The answer was no. It is too busy trying to defeat a "shoot first" bill, which would give gun owners the right to fire away instead of trying to avoid a confrontation. The way I see it, Minnesota is only one step away from requiring every citizen to carry a gun and use it when provoked.

There are some other twists to these laws. A person carrying a concealed weapon cannot be banned from a public building, even if it's a library full of kids. Churches have succeeded in keeping guns out of the pews, but they're having to fight another court battle to keep them out of the parking lot. The application for a concealed-weapon permit appears to have been created by people who believe the real threat in carrying a gun is the loss of privacy entailed in filling out the form. Yet it isn't possible for a member of the public to find out who has received a permit.

This is what I'd expect of Florida, which recently passed a "shoot first" - also called a "shoot the Avon lady" - bill. I'd expect it of Texas too. But Minnesota? I grew up thinking of Minnesota as a socially progressive state. After all, it was home of the Democratic Farmer Labor Party and a place where local control and common sense had strong roots.

Like my family in Iowa, Minnesotans were gun owners because they hunted pheasants and rabbits and deer. But then I'm thinking of a time when the leadership of the National Rifle Association resembled a band of merry sportsmen and not the paranoid cabal it is today. Whether this was also a time when a legislator could vote his conscience, and not his gun lobbyist's orders, I was too young to know.

I grew up hunting and shooting, and I still own two rifles and two shotguns. When I was young, I expected that I would own guns when I grew up because I enjoyed hunting and I liked the good hunters I knew - as I still do.

But to me, owning guns and knowing how to use them properly was part of a civic bargain. I would leave the police work to the police, and they would leave the squirrel hunting to me. The notion that 38 states would have "concealed carry" laws in 2006 would have seemed insane, a regression to a more primitive idea of who we are.

The NRA would argue that American society has changed since those innocent days. But society hasn't changed nearly as much as the NRA has - or America's ideas about the balance of individual and collective rights.

Every concealed weapon, with very few exceptions, is a blow against the public safety. The new gun laws in Minnesota take away local discretion over concealed-weapon permits, and they cost the local authorities plenty too.

But there's a bigger problem. By focusing so obsessively on an individual's rights - in this case, the purported individual right to bear arms in the library - all other rights are shoved aside. Police departments are forced to grant concealed-weapon permits to individuals who have little of the training and certainly none of the restrictions that police officers have.

What's worse, by granting this right to individuals, the law strips the public of its right to occupy public spaces without the threat of being shot. The police are trained to handle guns. No one is safer if gun- carrying civilians believe their rights entitle them to pretend they're cops.

Sometimes I think the NRA isn't really about guns at all. It's about making certain that the public has no ability to limit the rights of an individual. That is really what the logic of the "concealed carry" and "shall require" and "shoot first" laws says.

Guns make a perfect test case, because the end result is an armed cohort that is very prickly about its personal rights. The NRA has armed the thousands of Minnesotans who applied for a permit once the "concealed carry" law passed. But it has disarmed the public by making sure that legislators will no longer vote for gun laws that protect the rest of society.

Verlyn Klinkenborg is a member of the New York Times editorial board.
 
"What's worse, by granting this right to individuals, the law strips the public of its right to occupy public spaces without the threat of being shot."
Does not compute... I wonder why? Too much bull-oney in this article to address, and it'd be a waste of time. Just a spew of catchphrases like 'shoot first law', making people think a CCW holder has the right to just go blasting anytime somebody makes them unhappy. Step on their toe, BANG, you're dead.
 
What I'd expect from the NYT

Remember this is the state that has elected Schumer and Clinton as Senators. Just like Kalif with Feinstein and Boxer. The only concealed carry guns they like are the ones on their body guards. Actually Clinton has secret service protection 24/7.

I read the NYT just to see how far out in left field they are.

MikeS.
 
This is very strange. Our local editorials focus on our own state, county, and cities. I don't believe they have ever written about other regions. What is the NYT purpose in doing this? Why avoid their own issues?
 
Sometimes I think the NRA isn't really about guns at all. It's about making certain that the public has no ability to limit the rights of an individual.
I'm not sure that I can see what's wrong with that ...
 
the end result is an armed cohort that is very prickly about its personal rights
Well! Can't have THAT in New York!

How's free life in your metropolitan utopia, Verlyn?
Are the cops going through your bag on the Subway?
Have the officers confiscated your penknife?
Hazard a guess how many of your phone calls are on tape?

Have you even read the Bill of Rights?
You've got the right to speak while I've got the right to pack.
You ought to leave well enough alone.
 
This is very strange. Our local editorials focus on our own state, county, and cities. I don't believe they have ever written about other regions. What is the NYT purpose in doing this? Why avoid their own issues?

It is rather simple Ryder , Liberals have to make a preemptive strike on the idea that decent citizens can responsibly own and use weapons that are purely designed and owned for the purpose of self preservation .

With all of the other states having these laws if the leftist leadership doesn't attack the idea itself even some on the left may conquer their hysterical fear of inanimate objects and say to their state law makers "hey why can't we defend ourselves from the criminal scum that you continually turn loose time and time again to prey upon me ?" .

As is the case with any topic they have the facts completely turned around and place blame not on the criminals for the fact that people feel the need to carry weapons of self preservation but on the NRA and gun owners as blood thirsty Bubas , who want to run around shooting people everywhere and anywhere for no reason at all .

They praise the fact that schools can be a "restricted area" for CCW while ignoring the facts that with all of todays school shootings an armed teacher or principal could perhaps save a few lives while waiting for police to show up if such a thing should happen at their school .

I have always wondered why someone hasn't asked the gun grabbers this simple question in regards to schools shootings " Back in the early 1800's there were almost no restrictions on ownership of guns why is it there were no school shootings by children then ?

The simple fact is that many of todays problems can be laid at their feet by promoting things such as "Multiculturalism" rather than teaching the simple values of respect for people as human beings kids are having this garbage rammed down their throats of respecting a culture that is barbaric and violent as a whole as we have seen with the religion of Islam .

The left refuses to teach individual responsibility as such would lead people to thinking that those who commit crimes would deserve to be punished rather than studied or pitied and turned loose to do it all over again .
 
Usually like his stuff

but this article was bad. Very slanted and it overlooks the fact that the presence of people with CCW protects the unarmed, just the way toxic Monarch butterflies protect the non-toxic Viceroys. The poisonous coral snake protects the non-poisonous king snake with similar markings. This principle is called Batesian mimicry and is a well established field in population biology. Are there any population biologists who could comment on this?
 
Local attorney/radio personality Greg Garrison had a segment about this article on his program this AM. He was steamed, and before he was through fuming I was too.

The term "cognitive dissonance" comes to mind.
 
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