Newbie question re: Ammo

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Gildas

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As a newbie there's all sorts of things I have questions about and am steadily filling in my knowledge from various websites...

One thing I've noticed here is lots of discussions about ammo. Now, I understand the various calibers but once it gets beyond the basics and into weights and pressures I get lost [Apologies if I've used poor terminology there].

So I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of a good website or FAQ about what all the things people talk about in ammo discussions mean and what their signifigance is?
 
Not knowing how much you already know, I'll try to address a few basics without meaning to insult your intelligence.

"Pressure" is pretty much only a concern for people who load (reload) their own ammo. I'm guessing you meant something else. Hopefully I'll catch it below. If not, steer us with another question. Pressure is important to the average shooter in making sure the gun in question can handle the cartridge in question. For example, a "+P" cartridge (such as a .38 Special +P) should only be fired in a gun rated for the extra pressure associated with +P ammo.

Bullet weights: as you know, the bullet is that part of the cartridge that goes down range when the round is fired. Bullet weights are measured in grains. There are 7,000 grains in a pound. A given cartridge can be loaded with bullets of different weights, but there is usually a small number of options that work well for a given cartridge, or which provide enough variation to be worth messing with. For example, the 9mm Luger cartridge (what people usually mean when they say 9mm) comes with a 115 grain bullet, a 124 grain bullet, and a 147 grain bullet; but a 120 grain bullet would be an oddity in a 9mm Luger cartridge.

Muzzle velocity: the size and shape of the cartridge limits the amount of powder it will hold, providing a limit on the max speed at which a bullet leaves the barrel. All else being equal, a light bullet will leave the barrel at a higher rate of speed than a heavy bullet. Muzzle velocity is usually measured in feet per second (fps).

Muzzle energy: the "stopping power" of various cartridges are often compared by measuring their "energy" which is a function of their weight and velocity. The formula is one-half of the bullet's mass times the square of its velocity, resulting in a measure of foot/lbs of force and giving fast bullets an edge ... on paper. There are arguments that larger bullets make up for less theoretical energy by virtue of creating larger wounds.

Barrel length: a barrel that is too short for a given cartridge will allow the bullet to leave the barrel before all the powder has burned, depriving the bullet of some acceleration. A barrel that is too long for a cartridge will slow it down through friction after the powder has provided all the acceleration it is capable of. The ideal barrel length will let the bullet escape after the last measure of acceleration, but before friction reduces its velocity.

Ballistics: air friction causes all bullets to lose velocity. Light bullets shed their velocity faster than heavier bullets. The bullet's shape (long and skinny vs short and fat) also affects the rate at which it slows. The bullet's "ballistic coefficient" is a measure of its ability to hold its velocity. Higher coefficients are "better" than lower coefficients. Obviously, the slower the bullet is going when it hits the target, the less energy it has. For most of us, the ballistics charts published by the ammo makers answer most of our questions. Here is one example.

I see Pax has already pointed you to her excellent site. Chuck Hawks' web site is another good source of info but may not have the entry-level information you are looking for. But Bob Spencer has a good page on basic ballistics.

Hope that helped. Ask away when you are ready.
 
There is more opinions on that subject than you can shake a stick at. Take a look at the Ammo Oracle for some good info regarding AR-15 (.223/5.56 ammo).
Most of what you see probably regards bullet weight. There are proponents for both sides of the spectrum about whether it's better to have a heavy bullet at a lower velocity or a lighter bullet at a higher velocity (given similar amounts of propellant, pretty standard for factory loaded ammunition).
Bullet weight is measured in grains. An ounce is about 440 grains. Most modern ammunition does a good job especially when you narrow it down to hollow point defensive ammo (in pistols), and you may be splitting hairs when affirming that 155gr Speer Gold Dot is better than 160gr Golden Saber, or something along those lines.
Pressures are more geared toward handloads because most factory ammunition is loaded to standard pressures or certain levels above (a common one is 9mm, +P, or +P+). Some have more margin for making "hotter" than others. .40 S&W are basically a chopped down 10mm so they don't have a lot of room to add more power without pressures getting too high for the gun/case. Until you get into handloading I wouldn't worry about pressure other than making sure if you shoot something that says +P+ it's in a modern gun that will handle it.

EDIT: I see Froggy beat me to it and did and excellent job at explaining things. Bravo sir!
 
one of the gun mags, starts out every year with a table in the back, that lists just about every bullet ever invented, both handgun and rifle. it then has a list of their bullet weights, muzzle energy and velocity, and then energy and velocity for ever 100 yds out to 500 yds, with corresponding bullet drop in inches, known as trajectory. It starts with an R, or P, I wanna say it is called robinsons or peterson annual. i get it every year just for that.
 
Shooting involves a lot of "voodoo".

Such being the cae, I'll add my own eye of newt to the mix.

Rangerruck is indeed thinking of Petersen's Rifle Shooter magazine. A good purchase if you're interested in rifles.

The weight of a bullet is expressed in grains. One grain is 1/7000 of a pound.

Powder charge weight is expressed in the same way.

Pressure is a direct result of how much and what type of gunpowder is used in a cartridge. Some powders burn very fast (shotgun and pistol powders) and others burn very slow (magnum rifle). The majority of powders fall into the middle, being suitable for most centerfire rifles. There is enough difference between them that you must NEVER substitute data from one for another, though. That's important if you ever start reloading your own ammo.

Some cartridges are designed from the beginning as higher or lower pressure than other cartridges. The .45 ACP (my personal favorite handgun ctg) is a low pressure number. The .40 Smith and Wesson, however, is a high pressure ctg. This does not automacically make one better than the other.

Bullets must be designed to work (expand) at the velocity the cartridge puts out. If I used a bullet design from a .308 Winchester (around 3,000 FPS {feet per second}) and simply made it bigger around to fit my .45 ACP, performance would be abysmal. .45ACP averages around 850-900 FPS.

Those are generalities. Others here have and will give you 1) more than I can say clearly and 2) More than I even know. You've chosen a good group of people to ask, here at THR.
 
there is a lot to know

thats what makes this obsession..er..I mean hobby so interesting.
I had no idea what the acp at the end of .45 meant for a long time.
I am still confused about .308/7.62 & .223/5.56
some smart folks say they are the same and some smart folks say they are not.
 
There is more opinions on that subject than you can shake a stick at.
Yes.

But for what happens in the chamber and barrel, and what happens as the bullet travels through the air to the target, there are correct opinions and incorrect opinions. The physics of these situations are well understood, proven, and correctly described in the posts above.

Terminal ballistics (what happens when a projectile hits a target) is a different matter. The physics of these situations are NOT well understood or proven and there are many different opinions that may be completely, partially, or not at all correct. If the target is a uniform material, like a steel plate or a block of ballistic gelatin, experiments show the terminal performance of a given bullet (although so far attempts to develop equations from this type of data have produced only approximate results.) If the target is a living animal the situation is even less understood and this is where you will hear/read the widest range of opinions.

(One small, nit picking note on the posts above. Bullet MASS is the concern, not weight.)
 
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Bit of trivia--the working pressure inside the chamber of a firearm, when the gun is fired, is immense. Typical peak pressures are between 30,000 and 60,000 pounds per square inch.
 
Suggest you get (borrow, or maybe check your library?) a good reloading manual, such as Lyman's 48th Edition Reloading Manual, and brouse it. Besides the reloading tables, which will be informative for you also, there are some good discussions about relationships of pressure, velocity, and accuracy.;)
 
Thanks

Thanks for the great replies - they've given me a load of pointers to be able to understand the concepts that people talk about, plus some things to look into for the future.
 
what we are here for, teach each other. And yep, it is the peterson's annual. if you look close on some of the stats though, you will def find some mistakes. Like 5 or 6 digits for energy, the last one had some lr rimfires with more velocity and energy than 22 mags.
 
Gunsmith said-
I had no idea what the acp at the end of .45 meant for a long time.
I am still confused about .308/7.62 & .223/5.56
some smart folks say they are the same and some smart folks say they are not.
ACP means Awesome Caliber Pistols of course :p jk.
Check out this site for the answer to your .223/5.56 question, it's the second question on the page. I assume the .308/7.62 situation is the same.
 
Gildas,
First off let me commend you for wanting to educate yourself. You will be better off than relying on someone on the other side of a counter.
There are some weapons that may accept unsuitable ammo. M1 Garand for example. Still, some will debate & push the limit more than others.
.270 comes in different versions in which the case & chamber are different. 5.56/.223 is a different situation. This refers to milspec vs saami chamber tolerance & you can throw Wylde in for more confusion.
.308 & 7.62 is different case & chamber or different chamber spec. Depends, 7.62x39 is AK/SKS. There is also .308 / 7.62x51mm Nato.
7.62x54R.

And this is only 'size' issues which can have a right answer. Some of the other issues will never be as concrete. Then there a things like terminal ballistics which is a real can of worms.

2 good links:
http://www.saami.org/Unsafe_Combinations.cfm
http://www.levergun.com/articles/wrong.htm

Don't let it overwhelm you!
WNTFW
 
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