CoconutMilk
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Gents,
So here are my questions: And below that is all my data and setup.
1. Is the discoloration on the brass from low pressure, high pressure or is it meaningless? Picture should be attached.
2. On the taper crimp, how can I tell if it is crimped right? too little/too much? I am noticing a ring around the top of the round after the seating die, is this normal? Is it a problem? I believe it is being left from the seating stem, maybe the rainer rounds are just extremely soft? Possibly have too much crimp(crimping stem seated too low, causing excess pressure on the round from the seating stem?)
3. Sizing die: Whats the best way to test it to ensure it is actually set correctly?
4. Titegroup powder: Using the hornady powder measure with the small pistol rotor, I am finding that it is not consistent at all. When I finally get one case with ex. 4.0 gr the next one might be 3.7 or 4.3, seems to bounce all over from plus/minus .3gr. Anyone else have this issue? Recommendations?
I have recently completed the setup of my new Hornady LNL Ammo plant. My dies are setup in the following manner.
S1. RCBS Carbide resizer/deprimer
S2. Hornady PTX Expander/Powder drop
S3. Hornady Powder COP
S4. Hornady Bullet feeder die
S5. Hornady Series 2 Seater die with taper crimp
Shell plate #8
I am only concerned with loading 9mm at this current time.
Below are the components I have been using thus far:
Bullets: Rainer 115gr RN
Primer: Remington 1.5 Small Pistol
Brass: Remington
Powder: Titegroup
Bear with me, I have a lot of data from the past 3 days of loading and shooting on the chronograph. You'll notice in loads 8 and 9 I am using the recommended MAX from the Speer and Nosler manual. I mention this because of the discoloration I am getting on the brass. Everything I have read says the discoloration on the brass is due to a low pressure issue not causing the brass to fully expanded in the chamber and correctly seal.
Load 1
Bullet Rainer 115 gr RN
Primer Remington 1.5
Brass Remington
Powder Titegroup 4.0 gr
COAL 1.135"
Chrono
Shot 1 1027.67
Shot 2 980.47
Shot 3 1037.00
Shot 4 1016.03
Shot 5 999.83
Shot 6 999.09
Shot 7 1025.84
Shot 8 957.59
Shot 9 961.47
Shot 10 946.66
Deveation
Spread 90.34
Average 995.16
Load 2
Bullet Rainer 115 gr RN
Primer Remington 1.5
Brass Remington
Powder Titegroup 4.0 gr
COAL 1.125"
Chrono
Shot 1 1004.39
Shot 2 1006.23
Shot 3 999.66
Shot 4 964.07
Shot 5 952.54
Shot 6 993.43
Shot 7 999.00
Shot 8 0
Shot 9 0
Shot 10 0
Deveation
Spread 53.69
Average 988.47
Load 3
Bullet Rainer 115 gr RN
Primer Remington 1.5
Brass Remington
Powder Titegroup 4.0 gr
COAL 1.100"
Chrono
Shot 1 1021.00
Shot 2 1005.81
Shot 3 1012.96
Shot 4 1089.94
Shot 5 1024.63
Shot 6 1030.47
Shot 7 1030.47
Shot 8 0
Shot 9 0
Shot 10 0
Deveation
Spread 84.13
Average 1030.75
Load 4
Bullet Rainer 115 gr RN
Primer Remington 1.5
Brass Remington
Powder Titegroup 4.2 gr
COAL 1.150"
Chrono
Shot 1 1059.79
Shot 2 1078.20
Shot 3 1071.42
Shot 4 1089.94
Shot 5 996.21
Shot 6 1082.54
Shot 7 1091.12
Shot 8 1067.74
Shot 9 1131.41
Shot 10 1077.33
Deveation 33.68
Spread 135.2
Average 1074.57
Load 5
Bullet Rainer 115 gr RN
Primer Remington 1.5
Brass Remington
Powder Titegroup 4.2 gr
COAL 1.140"
Chrono
Shot 1 1070.47
Shot 2 1060.35
Shot 3 1068.21
Shot 4 1032.58
Shot 5 1089.65
Shot 6 1066.98
Shot 7 1071.23
Shot 8 1074.85
Shot 9 1031.96
Shot 10 1077.14
Deveation 18.62
Spread 57.69
Average 1064.34
Load 6
Bullet Rainer 115 gr RN
Primer Remington 1.5
Brass Remington
Powder Titegroup 4.2 gr
COAL 1.135"
Chrono
Shot 1 1085.16
Shot 2 1070.76
Shot 3 1079.83
Shot 4 1090.63
Shot 5 1093.09
Shot 6 1084.96
Shot 7 1056.65
Shot 8 1124.89
Shot 9 1057.94
Shot 10 0
Deveation 20.66
Spread 68.24
Average 1082.65
Load 7
Bullet Rainer 115 gr RN
Primer Remington 1.5
Brass Remington
Powder Titegroup 4.2 gr
COAL 1.125"
Chrono
Shot 1 1066.51
Shot 2 1045.78
Shot 3 1091.52
Shot 4 1040.48
Shot 5 1067.36
Shot 6 1076.38
Shot 7 1061.09
Shot 8 1077.72
Shot 9 1075.80
Shot 10 1068.96
Deveation 15.16
Spread 51.04
Average 1067.16
Load 8
Bullet Rainer 115gr RN
Primer Remington 1.5
Brass Remington
Powder Titegroup 4.5
COAL 1.140"
Chrono
Shot 1 810.67
Shot 2 1111.18
Shot 3 1134.59
Shot 4 1120.00
Shot 5 1114.74
Shot 6 1087.40
Shot 7 1096.26
Shot 8 1121.55
Shot 9 1118.03
Shot 10 1139.82
Deveation 98.24
Spread 329.15
Average 1086.52
Load 9
Bullet Rainer 115gr RN
Primer Remington 1.5
Brass Remington
Powder Titegroup 4.5
COAL 1.125"
Chrono
Shot 1 883.83
Shot 2 1165.95
Shot 3 1120.93
Shot 4 1153.73
Shot 5 1144.46
Shot 6 1165.95
Shot 7 1150.55
Shot 8 1137.04
Shot 9 1158.48
Shot 10 1130.14
Deveation 84.72
Spread 282.12
Average 1121.1
Thanks for making it this far down the post and for any help and recommendations in resolving my issues. If you need more information or data let me know.
So here are my questions: And below that is all my data and setup.
1. Is the discoloration on the brass from low pressure, high pressure or is it meaningless? Picture should be attached.
2. On the taper crimp, how can I tell if it is crimped right? too little/too much? I am noticing a ring around the top of the round after the seating die, is this normal? Is it a problem? I believe it is being left from the seating stem, maybe the rainer rounds are just extremely soft? Possibly have too much crimp(crimping stem seated too low, causing excess pressure on the round from the seating stem?)
3. Sizing die: Whats the best way to test it to ensure it is actually set correctly?
4. Titegroup powder: Using the hornady powder measure with the small pistol rotor, I am finding that it is not consistent at all. When I finally get one case with ex. 4.0 gr the next one might be 3.7 or 4.3, seems to bounce all over from plus/minus .3gr. Anyone else have this issue? Recommendations?
I have recently completed the setup of my new Hornady LNL Ammo plant. My dies are setup in the following manner.
S1. RCBS Carbide resizer/deprimer
S2. Hornady PTX Expander/Powder drop
S3. Hornady Powder COP
S4. Hornady Bullet feeder die
S5. Hornady Series 2 Seater die with taper crimp
Shell plate #8
I am only concerned with loading 9mm at this current time.
Below are the components I have been using thus far:
Bullets: Rainer 115gr RN
Primer: Remington 1.5 Small Pistol
Brass: Remington
Powder: Titegroup
Bear with me, I have a lot of data from the past 3 days of loading and shooting on the chronograph. You'll notice in loads 8 and 9 I am using the recommended MAX from the Speer and Nosler manual. I mention this because of the discoloration I am getting on the brass. Everything I have read says the discoloration on the brass is due to a low pressure issue not causing the brass to fully expanded in the chamber and correctly seal.
Load 1
Bullet Rainer 115 gr RN
Primer Remington 1.5
Brass Remington
Powder Titegroup 4.0 gr
COAL 1.135"
Chrono
Shot 1 1027.67
Shot 2 980.47
Shot 3 1037.00
Shot 4 1016.03
Shot 5 999.83
Shot 6 999.09
Shot 7 1025.84
Shot 8 957.59
Shot 9 961.47
Shot 10 946.66
Deveation
Spread 90.34
Average 995.16
Load 2
Bullet Rainer 115 gr RN
Primer Remington 1.5
Brass Remington
Powder Titegroup 4.0 gr
COAL 1.125"
Chrono
Shot 1 1004.39
Shot 2 1006.23
Shot 3 999.66
Shot 4 964.07
Shot 5 952.54
Shot 6 993.43
Shot 7 999.00
Shot 8 0
Shot 9 0
Shot 10 0
Deveation
Spread 53.69
Average 988.47
Load 3
Bullet Rainer 115 gr RN
Primer Remington 1.5
Brass Remington
Powder Titegroup 4.0 gr
COAL 1.100"
Chrono
Shot 1 1021.00
Shot 2 1005.81
Shot 3 1012.96
Shot 4 1089.94
Shot 5 1024.63
Shot 6 1030.47
Shot 7 1030.47
Shot 8 0
Shot 9 0
Shot 10 0
Deveation
Spread 84.13
Average 1030.75
Load 4
Bullet Rainer 115 gr RN
Primer Remington 1.5
Brass Remington
Powder Titegroup 4.2 gr
COAL 1.150"
Chrono
Shot 1 1059.79
Shot 2 1078.20
Shot 3 1071.42
Shot 4 1089.94
Shot 5 996.21
Shot 6 1082.54
Shot 7 1091.12
Shot 8 1067.74
Shot 9 1131.41
Shot 10 1077.33
Deveation 33.68
Spread 135.2
Average 1074.57
Load 5
Bullet Rainer 115 gr RN
Primer Remington 1.5
Brass Remington
Powder Titegroup 4.2 gr
COAL 1.140"
Chrono
Shot 1 1070.47
Shot 2 1060.35
Shot 3 1068.21
Shot 4 1032.58
Shot 5 1089.65
Shot 6 1066.98
Shot 7 1071.23
Shot 8 1074.85
Shot 9 1031.96
Shot 10 1077.14
Deveation 18.62
Spread 57.69
Average 1064.34
Load 6
Bullet Rainer 115 gr RN
Primer Remington 1.5
Brass Remington
Powder Titegroup 4.2 gr
COAL 1.135"
Chrono
Shot 1 1085.16
Shot 2 1070.76
Shot 3 1079.83
Shot 4 1090.63
Shot 5 1093.09
Shot 6 1084.96
Shot 7 1056.65
Shot 8 1124.89
Shot 9 1057.94
Shot 10 0
Deveation 20.66
Spread 68.24
Average 1082.65
Load 7
Bullet Rainer 115 gr RN
Primer Remington 1.5
Brass Remington
Powder Titegroup 4.2 gr
COAL 1.125"
Chrono
Shot 1 1066.51
Shot 2 1045.78
Shot 3 1091.52
Shot 4 1040.48
Shot 5 1067.36
Shot 6 1076.38
Shot 7 1061.09
Shot 8 1077.72
Shot 9 1075.80
Shot 10 1068.96
Deveation 15.16
Spread 51.04
Average 1067.16
Load 8
Bullet Rainer 115gr RN
Primer Remington 1.5
Brass Remington
Powder Titegroup 4.5
COAL 1.140"
Chrono
Shot 1 810.67
Shot 2 1111.18
Shot 3 1134.59
Shot 4 1120.00
Shot 5 1114.74
Shot 6 1087.40
Shot 7 1096.26
Shot 8 1121.55
Shot 9 1118.03
Shot 10 1139.82
Deveation 98.24
Spread 329.15
Average 1086.52
Load 9
Bullet Rainer 115gr RN
Primer Remington 1.5
Brass Remington
Powder Titegroup 4.5
COAL 1.125"
Chrono
Shot 1 883.83
Shot 2 1165.95
Shot 3 1120.93
Shot 4 1153.73
Shot 5 1144.46
Shot 6 1165.95
Shot 7 1150.55
Shot 8 1137.04
Shot 9 1158.48
Shot 10 1130.14
Deveation 84.72
Spread 282.12
Average 1121.1
Thanks for making it this far down the post and for any help and recommendations in resolving my issues. If you need more information or data let me know.
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