Next Joint Combat Pistol

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Judging from your signature, I'll guess you love your Glocks. That's great and they are a nice pistol. I've posted nothing but facts related to why the military won't adopt the Glock in it's current design. As posted below they simply aren't something the military can issue. If you don't know why from what I've already posted, you aren't going to know why if I post any more. With that, I'm done spending my time and space on the thread posting about it. Enjoy your evening.
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I dislike Glocks, They feel horrible in my hand and are ugly. They are good guns but not for me. Alot of people claim Glocks are the best thing ever and things with safeties are dumb which is one of the reasons why I don't like them, their following has a few idiots that sometimes just stand out. I don't see how my signature supports Glocks when I'm calling Glock owners simple (no offense).
 
you gotta keep them dummy proof for those boys.
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as they say, nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool

as for the pistol, I vote 8-shot n frame blackened stainless S&W 357 with a 4in bbl haha
 
Glock can outfit their pistols with a manual safety: http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/images/glock_safety.jpg

If you look at the newest Glocks, look at the frame around where that button would be located. You'll see a mold line in that area. Their molds are already equipped to outfit guns with that safety, all they need is an order of Glocks with safeties to fill.

And as to seeing if the firing pin is cocked externally, if the trigger is forward it's cocked. If the trigger is rearward it's not.

Hopefully if the JCP trials start up again, they'll keep the requirement of the Flat Dark Earth color so Glock will bring back their OD line, even better maybe they'll make Gen4's in OD.
 
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The JCP was canceled a long time ago.

In 2009 the military bought 450,000 more M9's and the Marines bought a large quantity of M9A1's.

A good choice, as the Beretta 92FS is the best pistol in it's class IMO.

Also, there never was a requirement for manual safety.
 
I'd like to thank the last JCP trial for the px4...

whether that's why it was originally designed or not, it's a hell of a piece of tupperware and I'm glad to own one.
 
Glocks, Simple guns for simple people
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I disagree. I do not own a glock. The glock was designed for people with the main safety between the ears. It is not a handgun for the untrained. You should never own a handgun if you are not properly trained in it's use anyway.

I think the Glock design is very elegant and was and still is ahead of it's competition.

If you choose another design does that make any other design useless? :rolleyes:

Then again maybe you are right. I am a simple person.

"Make things as simple as possible and no simpler." A certain person called Albert.
 
Does anyone in the DoD actually care all that much about a handgun?
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The Beretta suffices, so why change? What leap in performance is expected by changing? So long as the caliber remains the same and the weight is acceptable, there is no reason to bear the expense. Besides, the Beretta is an excellent pistol.
 
Let me first off say I drank the Glock Kool-Aid and me likey.....I lok-it-alot. This discussion and the many like it is the result of lawyers. Next to a revolver the Glock is the simplest handgun in the world to operate.
Let me see, the armies, security forces or major police forces, local and/or federal of the following countries use or have used the Glock pistol, Austria, Australia, Bangladesh, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Denmark, Czech Republic, Ecuador, Fiji, Finland, France, Georgia (the country), Germany, Greece, Greenland, Hong Kong, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kosovo, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Mexico, Montenegro, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Pakistan, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Singapore, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Thailand, UK, U.S., Venezuala and Yemen. But we stupid Amerikaners are unable to safely use the Glock Pistol.......:barf:
 
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And what's this "joint combat" anything crap. What ever happened to national identity and sovereignty?
I swear we never learn, we train and outfit other countries all the time and later they turn around and use it against us. So what is it about making a "Joint" this or that? Is this a tactic to ensure we are the sole supplier of weapons around the world so when they turn bad we simply turn off the parts supply and they quit?
That would be cool except we are not the sole supplier of these "Joint" weapons systems, they could turn off our supply and leave us hangin'. Now I know its just a pistol we're talking about here, a pistol is not a game-changer, but for the sake of all things that are holy, have we no pride in making and using our own stuff which happens to be better than anything else out there?
Why would we want to put ourselves on a level playing field with anybody? Would any of you want to go up against somebody else trained as well as you are using the exact same weapon as you? I wouldn't :banghead:
 
No doubt, you gotta keep them dummy proof for those boys.
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Our soldiers are not stupid or dumb. They are smarter than most of the population. I'm offended that you would restrict soldiers from using a weapon design due to your view of their lack of smarts.
 
Gun magazines can only give their conclusions on how a gun may or may not fit a person's needs.

I wonder where the gun fantasies and internet macho comment comes from? I sure didn't give you the ammo for that comment. Time to look in the mirror, w2fnt.
 
Hmmmmm, interesting how OP's "Next Joint Combat Pistol" quickly became a "I hate Glock" thread. :rolleyes:


Personally, S&W M&P should have been a good contender as it has 4 slide rail points that would clear the slide channel of sand/dirt (like Glock) and has full ambidextrous slide release and frame mounted safety (unlike Glock). The sm/med/lg grip inserts would also customize the grip for male/female/small/large hands of various military personnel for better fit (when I was a medic the Army, most pistols were issued to officers and larger grips of 92FS/M9 would not fit smaller hands).
 
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Some Glock owners just have frustrated me basically claiming that everyone that carries a gun with a manual safety, grip safety etc etc are gonna die when they need it because they will forget the safety. Thats the reason why I have that sig.
 
Uncle Sugar is never going to generally issue a compact pistol. Nor one again with only right handed safety controls, after the 1911A1. The Big Army is also going to look askance at a pistol that requires a trigger pull to field strip, visions of all of those cop NDs dancing through the heads of the brass.

And you could bet your bottom Obamabuck that there would be evaluator complaints about any Glock's grip, not due to the grip angle, or the backstrap hump, but because of the beyond stupid molded in finger grooves and the non-relieved area between the top of the front strap and the underside of the trigger guard.

When a Glock fits your hand, hey great for you. When it doesn't it really sucks, the bumps hitting everywhere they're not supposed to. Glocks even sometimes fit someone while barehanded but feel awful with gloves on.

Unless Glock submitted a Gen 2 style grip frame with a rail it's my opinion that they'd lose any future JCP competition to the likes of the S&W M&P, the FNH FNP, the current H&Ks or other entrants that simply better fit more firing evaluators.

Glocks get high marks for reliability and durability, but whether it is perceived as fair by it's fans, it also brings legendarily polarizing ergonomics along as it's Achilles heel.
 
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And what's this "joint combat" anything crap. What ever happened to national identity and sovereignty?
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I took the term "Joint" in this context to mean across the various US Armed Forces (Army, USMC, Navy, Air Force), and not across countries.

But I am not military, so I could be incorrect.
 
Naw you are right. Joint Forces means US Forces. we spell it A R M Y, by the way.
Kudos to anyone who gets it.

The poster complaining is just chest thumping.
 
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Just how did you find that out?
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I'm a travelling repairman. I get to meet a wide variety of people and get to spend hours or even days with people on each service call. Some of the places I've been for service work have been Ft. Hood, Ft. Sam Houston, Randolph AFB, and Corpus Christ NAS.

The best of the bunch that I met were the guards and HQ personnel at Ft. Hood. Of course, no offense to any one serving elsewhere. It just means I didn't meet them, yet. :)
 
The JCP requirement has been put to sleep, but it has risen again, in the form of the "Modular Handgun" requirement, being staffed by the Air Force, last I checked. I haven't seen the requirement, but im told that it is largely lifted from the JCP requirement.
 
The JCP requirement has been put to sleep, but it has risen again, in the form of the "Modular Handgun" requirement, being staffed by the Air Force, last I checked. I haven't seen the requirement, but im told that it is largely lifted from the JCP requirement.
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Interesting. Can't say that I'm up for funding this, but if it gets the manufacturers to do a little more R&D and get some new designs to market then at least some benefit will come of it :).
 
A good choice, as the Beretta 92FS is the best pistol in it's class IMO.
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It made financial sense more than anything, but I think there are several pistols that are better than the Beretta on this list (the official competitors in the JCP project):

Heckler & Koch HK45C
SIG P220 Combat
Ruger P345
Smith & Wesson M&P
Glock 21SF
Beretta Px4 Storm
Taurus PT 24/7 OSS
Fabrique Nationale FNP45-USG
HS-45
Para-Ordnance LDA 1911
 
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