larryh1108
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It's simple.
If you don't like their rules, on their property for their product....
don't go!
If you don't like their rules, on their property for their product....
don't go!
NFL Anti Second Amendment
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Originally Posted by Walkalong View Post
Show me where they make big contributions to anti gun organizations, and then I'll say yea, they are anti.
Show me where they make big contributions to anti gun organizations, and then I'll say yea, they are anti.
Well there you go. Thanks.
larryh1108
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Wow, when I clicked on the cpyv site, my computer blocked a malicious virus attack from the site.
Nice. Amazing what hackers will do to attack other's computers.
Nice. Amazing what hackers will do to attack other's computers.
This thread makes me sad.
The mindset some of you have is - troubling to me. I've carried a gun into Vikings, Twins and Wild games. I've carried in Valley Fair, State Fair and several county fairs. I have NEVER ONCE been inclined to let my carry piece be an issue. Those who think firearms in crowded environments present a safety concern are, in my opinion, hoplophobic.
I only go to sporting events when the tickets are free, as my wife enjoys such outings. I tend not to support things that were designed by society to take my mind off of tyranny.
For those of you who defend their anti-gun stance on the grounds of property rights, how many professional sports venues have been built with public money?
The mindset some of you have is - troubling to me. I've carried a gun into Vikings, Twins and Wild games. I've carried in Valley Fair, State Fair and several county fairs. I have NEVER ONCE been inclined to let my carry piece be an issue. Those who think firearms in crowded environments present a safety concern are, in my opinion, hoplophobic.
I only go to sporting events when the tickets are free, as my wife enjoys such outings. I tend not to support things that were designed by society to take my mind off of tyranny.
For those of you who defend their anti-gun stance on the grounds of property rights, how many professional sports venues have been built with public money?
jack44
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It the same anti gun views there even at power plants also.
The NFL, NCAA, NBA, MLB, NHL, MLS, etc. are the epitome of government and big business entities. Their image is more important than the safety and well being of the citizens/workers/players/fans/customers. As long as the murders are happening outside of their property and sphere of responsibility they couldn't care less.
I haven't attended a sports event since I was a teenager. There're too many drunks and other irresponsible jerks at venues such as that. Guess where those drunks and jerks end up after the games? Out on the streets and into the public.
I haven't attended a sports event since I was a teenager. There're too many drunks and other irresponsible jerks at venues such as that. Guess where those drunks and jerks end up after the games? Out on the streets and into the public.
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OilyPablo
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Lots of ball players own guns. Leave it at that.
blue_ridge
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"A lot more background is needed."
Wow, awfully quick to begin the dismissal on this. My first reaction is more along the lines of, "how can the NFL possibly justify banning a DD commercial?" Especially with all the trash they do allow.
I understand the desire to stay on "the high road" but that doesn't mean you need to give up common sense and conviction to do so.
Wow, awfully quick to begin the dismissal on this. My first reaction is more along the lines of, "how can the NFL possibly justify banning a DD commercial?" Especially with all the trash they do allow.
I understand the desire to stay on "the high road" but that doesn't mean you need to give up common sense and conviction to do so.
Simple answer, because they can. They can run ads for anyone they want and can choose to not run something they don't want to. Do I agree with half of the stuff they air? Not in the least and don't get me started on the Super Bowl halftime shows. But that is their right.
Since gun owners are not a protected civil class we are welcome to be the targets of discrimination anywhere and everywhere...
plodder
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If it makes any difference in this discussion, I would like to point out that very few (if any) pro sports stadiums and arenas are totally private property, just ask the taxpayers of the regions in which they are built!
medalguy
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Interesting theories and explanations. After all is said and done, I do not and will not attend any sporting event in which I as a taxpayer have had to pay most if not all of the event building construction cost, then have to pay another hundred bucks for one ticket to attend. I have a lot better things to do with my money.
If I want to watch a football game or other sporting event, I will do so in the comfort of my own den and drink my own 50 cent beer and almost free peanuts and popcorn. Then after the game I may take the money I WOULD have spent on travel(varies, average $300),hotel($200) parking($10), tickets($200), and food and drink($250), and buy myself another $1000 gun.
As far as the Daniel Defense ad, I would consider that a patriotic ad.
If I want to watch a football game or other sporting event, I will do so in the comfort of my own den and drink my own 50 cent beer and almost free peanuts and popcorn. Then after the game I may take the money I WOULD have spent on travel(varies, average $300),hotel($200) parking($10), tickets($200), and food and drink($250), and buy myself another $1000 gun.
As far as the Daniel Defense ad, I would consider that a patriotic ad.
@Bensdad
great. so you carry your piece in defiance of stadium rules into sporting events. wonderful. don't come crying however when you get caught - or if worse - something happens and the DA / jury are not on your side.
and no - many of us have issues with concealed carry in a crowded stadium where alcohol gets consumed in large quantities (!) and emotions are high due to a sports game. EXACT SAME reason why in most states concealed carry in bars is not allowed. bar fight is one thing, bar fight with guns is another.
guns + alcohol + lots of people + emotions = don't mix well
I go to the range regularly and everytime I go I see something stupid. Now if Jimmy sits at home and the bogger-finger goes on the trigger and *boooom* we have an AD/ND in his house. Not my problem. But in a crowded stadium with 60,000 people and Jimmy is surrounded by people everywhere... that ND/AD is suddenly a pretty big issue.
great. so you carry your piece in defiance of stadium rules into sporting events. wonderful. don't come crying however when you get caught - or if worse - something happens and the DA / jury are not on your side.
and no - many of us have issues with concealed carry in a crowded stadium where alcohol gets consumed in large quantities (!) and emotions are high due to a sports game. EXACT SAME reason why in most states concealed carry in bars is not allowed. bar fight is one thing, bar fight with guns is another.
guns + alcohol + lots of people + emotions = don't mix well
I go to the range regularly and everytime I go I see something stupid. Now if Jimmy sits at home and the bogger-finger goes on the trigger and *boooom* we have an AD/ND in his house. Not my problem. But in a crowded stadium with 60,000 people and Jimmy is surrounded by people everywhere... that ND/AD is suddenly a pretty big issue.
Texasgun,
I commend Texas for leading the charge on shall-issue carry. However, you've been steeped in the tea of rediculous restriction for far too long. In MN, we can open-carry if we want. Signs here have no weight of law. We have to be asked to leave - and then refuse - before we've done anything wrong here.
As far as AD's, mayhem, hostility and drunkenness are concerned, I guess I just have more faith in my fellows than you do. My gun has never come out in public. Never will (unless, God forbid, it HAS to). I assume the same is true for other adults who took the time and spent the money to get a permit to carry.
As an aside, whenever anyone says this on a gun forum:
I commend Texas for leading the charge on shall-issue carry. However, you've been steeped in the tea of rediculous restriction for far too long. In MN, we can open-carry if we want. Signs here have no weight of law. We have to be asked to leave - and then refuse - before we've done anything wrong here.
As far as AD's, mayhem, hostility and drunkenness are concerned, I guess I just have more faith in my fellows than you do. My gun has never come out in public. Never will (unless, God forbid, it HAS to). I assume the same is true for other adults who took the time and spent the money to get a permit to carry.
As an aside, whenever anyone says this on a gun forum:
I assume the opposite is true. You're on TheHighRoad. You don't have to tell us how experiened you are. We're all wearing our bigboy pants here.
blue_ridge
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@Robert
I get what you're saying. I'm not a lawyer and I'm not interested in the legal ramifications or lack thereof. The NFL is an entertainment organization making millions/billions off of a predominantly American male populace. How can we accept the banning of a commercial for Daniel Defense where no violence is suggested or implied while the NFL continues to push all sorts of low grade products, alcohol and sexually explicit ads? The legal reasons for things in this country bear no resemblance to the common sense and decency most of us have.
I get what you're saying. I'm not a lawyer and I'm not interested in the legal ramifications or lack thereof. The NFL is an entertainment organization making millions/billions off of a predominantly American male populace. How can we accept the banning of a commercial for Daniel Defense where no violence is suggested or implied while the NFL continues to push all sorts of low grade products, alcohol and sexually explicit ads? The legal reasons for things in this country bear no resemblance to the common sense and decency most of us have.
targetshooter22
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Of course they are against guns. The NFL is a money-sucking organization that forcibly extracts wealth directly from all tax payers in their constituent states, and all the money it can make for its members through ticket, merchandise, and broadcast sales. They will always cater to the lowest common denominator because that will keep them fat, dumb and happy.
The whole guns + alcohol is just a red herring. It gets people's hands wringing, and keeps them focused on "it's for your own good." How many of us know other people that carry? How many of those people actively drink and don't walk away from trouble when they carry? For me, it's none. Every single person I know that carries does so with responsibility and great care. They understand the consequences of accidentally or deliberately committing an act of violence, and take great care to not do so.
The whole guns + alcohol is just a red herring. It gets people's hands wringing, and keeps them focused on "it's for your own good." How many of us know other people that carry? How many of those people actively drink and don't walk away from trouble when they carry? For me, it's none. Every single person I know that carries does so with responsibility and great care. They understand the consequences of accidentally or deliberately committing an act of violence, and take great care to not do so.
We've discussed this general issue before and the lawyer type analysis is that they are not liable for such. The liability falls on the bad actor (shooter).
Frank knows this stuff.
As far as the NFL - given the destructive nature of football lately - just stay home and watch something else. I see young folks ignore their education and get concussions because they are deluded to think they will make it to the pros or are socialized to think that being a football hero in high school or college will substitute for an education. Not really a gun comment but I used to follow the Bills and now I don't care.
It is the Roman bread and circuses.
interesting (and short sighted) assumption. What would you assume of me when I say I almost never go to the range. Would you think less of me? Think I don't shoot much? Not experienced?
I shoot what I consider a lot. 8-10 times a month. On my private property. Rarely a public range. The people I typically shoot with are family and friends. When I do go to a public range I am astonished at some of the stupid stuff I do.
Oh and I am being lazy today watching football. Haven't put my pants on yet. I am still in my bigboy boxers, but I prefer the term "husky"
Neo-Luddite
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So maybe we decide in protest to not watch the ads on the Superbowl as a group and let the NFL Overlords know it. I wouldn't dare suggest we boycott the game as some folks really enjoy it. And in fact the ads are (to me) half the fun of the game, but I'd flip to another channel and flip back to make a point.
Rushthezeppelin
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That website just tripped my anti virus program (AVG)....
So, alcohol, guns and hyped up fans don't "mix?" what does that have to do with my freedom as a responsible gun-owner/CCW holder to attend sporting events? I don't get drunk, or angry, or riled up at these events, so the "mix" is just fine. OTOH, when I'm in the city at night, my odds of being attacked skyrocket as compared to when I stay home in the 'burbs, this is when CCW makes the most sense.
-Nice post targetshooter22
x1wildone
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I was kinda hopeing to see the other half of Janet Jackson this year.
Let's look at the economics of this. NFL weekend, fly to superbowl city, get two tickets, 2 nights overnight accomodations, meals, transportation (for a purely ephemeral event with no lasting value) conservative estimate $5000.
Brand new shiny Daniel Defense rifle, which will last for generations, $1700.
I know what I would do. Thanks NFL for putting it all in perspective for me!
Brand new shiny Daniel Defense rifle, which will last for generations, $1700.
I know what I would do. Thanks NFL for putting it all in perspective for me!
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