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But having the ability to shoot accurately farther is not a bad thing.

The OP said he was looking for a defensive handgun and to blow off any ability to shoot accurately is folly.

Longer sight radius means longer barrel. It is easier to point shoot a longer barrel as there is more to point. By your statement we shouldn't have or need sights on any defensive gun as:

it will either be too dark to see the sights, or the shooter won't have time to use them...one could do about as well without any sights on the gun at all...so sight radius would mean nothing.

I stand by my earlier suggestions as I wouldn't advise any shooter to buy a defensive gun and not worry if they can shoot it accurately.
 
There is so little difference in the terminal ballistics between the common service pistol calibers that it is not really worth thinking to hard about.
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But having the ability to shoot accurately farther is not a bad thing.

Never said that i was, Grizz.

to blow off any ability to shoot accurately is folly.

Not blowin' it off. Just stating a few facts about how a defensive handgun will most likely be deployed by John Q. Citizen, and the reasons that a snub .38 and small autopistols are chosen BY John and his brethren...but apparently you have a one-track mind in this matter.

John Q. et al buy and sometimes even carry a gun because they have a perceived need to be armed...real or imagined. They don't intend to engage in gunfights. They don't intend to present the weapon unless they can't get away from the threat by any other means. By and large...if John Q's moment of truth comes...there's a very high probability that it will happen at arm's length or closer, and it will also likely be at night or in such low lighting that he won't be able to see the sights or have time to use them even if he could see them.

By and large...Most John Q type people that I know aren't really into guns, and don't shoot very often. Some of'em buy their gun and never shoot it...or only a few times just to get a feel for it. By and large...people like that tend to revert back to instinctual body motions when the adrenalin dump comes, and simply point the gun and pull the trigger. They don't think about sights or trigger control because the threat is within touching distance.

By and large...Most prickly scenarios are stopped by the mere presence of the gun.

By and large...John Q and his ilk couldn't shoot accurately at 10 paces from sandbags given 3 minutes per shot.

Do I believe that this means that they're well-armed and prepared? No. Of course not.
I'm not an idiot. Do I believe that they stand a better chance...chance...than they would unarmed? Yes. Of course I do. It's been proven too many times over the last 10 or 12 decades.

Men and women who have never fired a gun in their lives very often come out alive via the use of a snub-nosed .38 or even a .22 rimfire put to use at night at powder burn distances.

See, Grizz...not all deadly encounters involve a gunfight. Some of'em are classic cases of
a fool bringin' a knife or stick to a gunfight. Some involve serial rapists who grab women and stuff'em into the trunk of a car and headin' out into the boonies for a night of fun and games. Some involve home invasions and taking physical control of the occupants who...if they have a diminutive little handgun...can put a stop to such foolishness before it gets out of hand.

These things are what the snubs and mini autos are for...not showdowns at high noon.
In that role, they've very often proven themselves fully capable of saving innocent lives.
No guarantees, understand...but it's not about guarantees. It's about the odds.

Here's a cut/paste exerpt. Bernie Goetz...not a "shooter" by any stretch...managed to hit 4 at close quarters with a 5-shot M36 snub, therefore coming out unscathed by what could easily have been death or crippling injury.

>>Goetz fired an unlicensed revolver five times, seriously wounding three of the would-be muggers and rendering the fourth a paraplegic. The initially unknown shooter, dubbed the "Subway Vigilante" by the New York press, was both exalted and vilified in the media and in public opinion.<<
 
I am going to be turning 21 on my next birthday and am currently researching and looking into the best overall caliber for personal protection. I wanna get my protection permit and a handgun to go with it, but can't decide on what caliber to go with or what manufacturer. I have a few months so I have some time, but does anyone have any suggestions?

In my opinion there are two big mistakes that people make buying thier first defensive handgun:

1. They buy a gun that is too small - Small guns are great for carrying, not so much shooting. It's not very difficult to carry a compact or full sized handgun, and they're much easier to shoot well. Why carry a gun that you can't shoot well? With a little effort, even a service sized revolver or pistol can disappear. Many people who start with tiny guns end up developing flinches and other bad shooting habits that can take a while to unlearn. Start with a full sized or compact gun, don't mess with anything subcompact for a while.

2. They buy a gun that isn't chambered in 9mm or .38 special. Anything else will cost much more to practice with, and practice is what it takes to become proficient. Get a pistol in 9mm, or a revolver in .38 special (or .357 magnum, and load it with .38 special).
 
I highly recomend the Springfield XD40,either the sub compact or the 4"service model. The .40S&W is a fine round,plenty of stopin' power yet you don't have to worry much about over-penitration. And as far as ammo goes it don't put too big of a dent in yer wallet.
 
Yes. Back on track.

The 9mmP or the .40 are good choices as far as ballistics go. Even the antiquated .38 Special will serve you well. As one guy put it...paraphrased..."The debate rages on, and it's not for lack of dead bodies to show the evidence."

All the rounds mentioned above and before this post have filled a lotta graves and wheelchairs over the years. Whatever caliber and platform you choose...work with it and become proficient with it, and you'll stand a much better chance than those who buy a gun and never shoot it until the moment of truth. Remember too what a wise, experienced gunman once said: (Don't recall who)

"In a gun fight, you'll probably do about as well as your worst day on the range."
 
I have 9mm & 45acp pistols. I like them, shoot them well and do not need any other calibers. However, If I were starting from scratch I would choose a 40 S&W pistol. My top three reasons are below:

40 is a great compromise between 9mm & 45acp.
40 ammunititon is now easier to find than 9mm & 45acp ( so much for going with the two most popular calibers ).
40 caliber does give confidence that you have enough power.

That being said, anything 9mm & up in pistol calibers and 38 sp +p and up in revolvers will do the job. Pick what you feel most comfortable with. Good luck, choose wisely!
 
The best "overall", meaning for both 2-legged and 4-legged predators, is .45 colt, IMO.

For 2-legged only, .45 acp, .44 special, 9x19mm.
 
YA.... WHAT THEY SAID.....

for what its worth, i carry a Rossi 357 in SS and a Glock 23 .40 cal depending on mood (hard to hide a model 870 win) i have fired enough ammo to know i will hit COM at distance, (don't know for sure how far never had the Adrenalin rush at the range) but i do well with both at 15 yards and i am told most SD needs are in 10 ft or less most of the time.
 
.40S&W is a fine round for self-defense,plenty of power, its abundent and fairly inexpensive and there are a wide variety of guns chambered for it to choose from. I myself carry a Springfield XD40 subcompact and load it with Speer Gold Dot .40+p ammo. It whould be a fine first gun for you,in any case no matter what you buy get as much training as you can;also practice and drill often...you'll be glad you did.
 
I'm a little older and had a little more cash, so my strategy was different.

I started on a .22 rifle, picked up a 12ga for home defense (and skeet shooting for fun), and once I was very comfortable with both graduated to a .22 cal Ruger MKII. You can skip the first two, but having a big, heavy, stainless steel .22 with a competition trigger and real sights was a valuable asset in teaching me the fundamentals of handgunning. It doesn't bark loud, it doesn't kick hard, and the light single-action trigger doesn't encourage jerking. Best to start *without* the bad habits, if you ever want to move beyond what the above posters have described as belly guns.

The only trouble is that, unlike rifles and shotguns, it's nearly impossible to get into a reasonable quality pistol for a hundred and fifty bucks. If you can buy only one, there's plenty of good advice above. If you can afford two, consider a Browning Buckmark or a Ruger MKIII Hunter as your first handgun. Will probably end up your favorite pistol.
 
The best "overall", meaning for both 2-legged and 4-legged predators, is .45 colt, IMO.

I've heard several people state that the .45 Colt is an anemic, 19th century cartridge whose only utility in the 21st century is for cowboy games. Of course, these are people who don't understand that the .45 Colt was the most powerful handgun round in the world for over 60 years...until the introduction of the .357 Magnum.

For my money, the obsolete/antiquated .45 Colt was...and still is...superior to the .357 as a fight stopper at close range, and is a helluva lot less rambunctious. Its one drawback is that for years, it was only available in single-action and large-framed double-action revolvers.

The folks who maintain that the old cartridge is a powderpuff just haven't gotten cozy with it. 250-260 grains at 900+ fps is a serious thumper....and a Colt-sized single action revolver ain't all that bad for self defense if one takes the time to learn to use it effectively.
 
Three pages later and not a peep out of the OP.

Maybe we could narrow it down if we knew more about you? How big are you? Height, weight? Do you want to conceal carry?
 
I've heard several people state that the .45 Colt is an anemic, 19th century cartridge whose only utility in the 21st century is for cowboy games. Of course, these are people who don't understand that the .45 Colt was the most powerful handgun round in the world for over 60 years...until the introduction of the .357 Magnum.

For my money, the obsolete/antiquated .45 Colt was...and still is...superior to the .357 as a fight stopper at close range, and is a helluva lot less rambunctious. Its one drawback is that for years, it was only available in single-action and large-framed double-action revolvers.

The folks who maintain that the old cartridge is a powderpuff just haven't gotten cozy with it. 250-260 grains at 900+ fps is a serious thumper....and a Colt-sized single action revolver ain't all that bad for self defense if one takes the time to learn to use it effectively.

Amen, brother. .44 special and .45 colt hit the sweet spot for defense. Low noise, fairly low recoil, big wide bullets with no need for a conical shape to feed them, massive penetration. The .45 colt, in stronger loads, has a lot going for it for meaner thicker tougher critters than people too, than .44 special or .45 acp.

Who said it - "bugs on the winshield is proof that the 'big & slow' theory works!" :p
 
You can have all the opinions in the world. But if you only owned 1 gun, and it was going to be for protection, then it should be considered for carry and for home. In this case, there really isn't any valid argument against the 357 magnum revolver. It can be loaded with rounds low enough to equal a 380. It can be loaded with hot enough rounds that will out shoot any self defense gun except a 44 magnum. The 357 magnum revolver is the most versatile handgun there is. Bar none. And yes, for self defense, a 6 shot revolver is enough rounds. You don't need an 18 round 9mm or 40sw with 2 more magazines in your pocket.

I am all for semi-autos. I love them. And I have more semi-autos than any gun there is. But when first starting out, and buying your first real carry or home defense gun, you should start off with a 357 magnum revolver. Then add a 12 gauge pump shotgun. Then move up to all the semi-autos you want. But a 357 revolver requires the least amount of training. The least amount of practice. And is the simplest for mental conditions when stress and fear kick in. Simply point and click. And you did ask for the best overall round. That would be the 357 magnum, and that can't be argued. You can hunt with it and you can protect yourself with it. There's no magazines, safeties, stove pipes, misfires requiring manual intervention, etc... In a revolver, just point and click. And if a round doesn't fire, simply keep pulling the trigger. The next round will go off. Of course, we're talking about quality weapons here. S&W and Ruger is where you should go. For my 1st and main gun for protection, I wouldn't buy a Rossi or similar. Anyway; that's the best overall round (as you put it).
 
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