Nick Penning: A biased anti allowed to write without research (merged threads)

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A derringer? The guy is obviously an idiot. You need more than two shots to deal with The Sinister Clown and his Minions if they decide to turn on you and devour your soul. Grimace looks like he could soak up a lot of lead before going down and I'm not sure The Sinister Clown can truly be killed at all.
 
Thirty people were meticulously slaughtered by Virginia handguns at Virginia Tech less than a year ago.

Those handguns... they won't stop trying to kill us! <sob> They're worse than rabid raccoons: they fear almost nothing. Just last week, my friend told me that he heard some random tapping and scrabbling noises on his bedroom window at about 3 AM. He pulled back the curtain, and through the rain-streaked window, silhouetted in flashes of lightning, he suddenly found himself face-to-face with the cold, unfeeling cyclops eye of a self-mobile 1911 in condition 1! It was trying to get in! He said that he was only saved because he waved a USA Magazines 1911 magazine at it. Upon seeing it, the pistol let out an agonized wail, hissed at him, then scrambled across his lawn, disappearing into the pouring rain. I told him he'd better get some saltwater in case it happens again, and the magazine isn't enough.

-Sans Authoritas
 
ROTFLMAO... Sans Authoritas, that was beautiful. *wipes away tears of mirth* I wish Nick could read that. :)
 
Grab the Derringer, Honey, We’re Taking the Kids to McDonalds

Here's the funny thing. IT'S ALREADY LEGAL TO CARRY CONCEALED INTO McDONALDS!

This bill is ending the foolishness that said people cannot carry into establishments that serve alchol.

So, despite the fact that I don't drink; I cannot carry my weapon concealed (I can carry it openly) into a fine dining restuarant.
 
Virginia appeared to be joining the nation in ending the politics of violence and hate. Instead, the Assembly snapped a bit of hope from our lives and gave-in to the purveyors of handguns, the only purpose of which is to kill human beings. While rifles are used for hunting and can’t be concealed, easily purchased handguns fit nicely in any pocket and are used all over this gun-infested land to kill spouses, girlfriends, neighbors, and street crime victims. There’s a reason they’re termed “Saturday Night Specials,” since they can be found at virtually every crime scene in every city and village across the country.
There is so much wrong with this paragraph I don't know where to even try to begin.
 
Thirty people were meticulously slaughtered by Virginia handguns at Virginia Tech less than a year ago. Have we learned nothing about the insanity of widespread, no limits possession of handguns in our state and country?

Yeah, we need to learn that guns on University campuses are a bad thing! Perhaps we could encourage our legislators to do something about this. Maybe we could get them to pass some kind of law forbidding the carrying of guns on campuses. We could call it something catchy like "Gun-Free Zone" to get everyone on board. Yep, that's the ticket! Who do I call to get this legislation rolling?

:banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
Besides the silly anti-gun arguments, this article is full of substantial factual inaccuracies.

The author seems to think a ban on carrying concealed into a bar or restaurant that serves alcohol in VA is in a new bill that was twisted around by the NRA this session to let people carry into such bars or restaurants. Nonsense, the ban was passed with CCW reform in '96 or so, and bills have been submitted ever since to repeal it. If anything, this particular one had a_ anti-gun_provision added to it in the course of passage, a provision you must notify the restaraunt you are carrying concealed when you enter.

The main lobby group working to repeal the bill is not NRA but local lobbying group VCDL and its predecessors. And as pointed out above, you are perfectly free to carry concealed into a McDonalds, they don't serve alcohol.

Annoying that the average person has no idea of how messed up this article is.
 
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Here in Colorado, it's not only legal to carry in taverns and bars, but belly up to the bar and have a drink. It's never been a problem, and I'm sure it never will be.

Are Virginians somehow less responsible than Coloradans? I doubt it.
 
A rebuttal

The following is a rebuttal I plan to submit.
I post it here first for constructive criticism and group proofing.
Thank you for your assistance.

A REBUTTAL TO THE PREVIOUS ARTICLE:

I read the recent column “Grab the Derringer, Honey, We’re Taking the Kids to McDonalds” by Nick Penning with ever increasing amounts of astonishment, disbelief, and dismay.

The first thing I wish to address is the entire issue of Virginia’s SB476. Rather than trying to understand Mr. Penning's interpretation I suggest that the reader go to the source by following this link to the Virginia Legislature tracking page http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?081+sum+SB476 .

Yes the wording of this bill would allow for persons with valid concealed carry permits to continue to carry concealed in a restaurant that serves alcohol and thus Mr. Penning would have you convinced that this will instantaneously lead to “a metastasizing of gun violence in bars and eateries all over the state”. However this argument falls flat because in Virginia it has been legal, for over a DECADE, for any citizen to have an “open carry” firearm in such a location (with the same restriction that they not consume alcohol). Many Virginians regularly go out to have dinner in a nice restaurant while carrying their firearms and have done so for more than 10 years and, believe it or not, they have obeyed the laws, acted responsibly, and there has been no “metastasizing of gun violence”. Yellow journalism aside, there simply is no threat and we have years of evidence to prove it.

Mr. Penning’s article title can be viewed with even greater irony as McDonalds doesn’t serve alcohol so carry (open or concealed with permit) is completely lawful in Virginia, and happens all the time irrespective of SB476.

Now let’s discuss where Mr. Penning likes to place the “blame” for SB476. He lays it squarely at the feet of “the Republican-led House of Delegates” and the National Rifle Association. I find it very interesting that he completely disregards the fact that the Democratically controlled Senate also passed the bill by a 24 to 14 vote and that so far I have seen a lot of grass roots citizen activity by individuals and groups such as the Virginia Citizens Defense League, but haven’t run into an NRA overlord one single time. Honestly some instructions from the NRA might have actually been helpful once in a while but no, we’ve had to muddle along on our own, as citizens of Virginia, figuring out how to let the government know what we’d like done and making our voices heard.

Next I simply have to address some worn out rhetoric. Someone once said “a lie repeated enough become the truth” so I feel it is a duty to address such lies when I discover them.

Mr. Penning talks about “gun-obsessed politicians”. Have you been to the capitol Mr. Penning? I have and the politicians I’ve met aren’t “gun-obsessed” but they are very concerned with both the responsibilities and the rights of the people of Virginia. I would strongly recommend that you read the Virginia State Constitution (which our representatives have sworn to uphold and defend) and it might make their behavior a little more clear. http://legis.state.va.us/Laws/search/ConstitutionTOC.htm

“The cause célèbre of gunsters now is hiding <the guns>, when you’re in public”. Really Mr. Penning, I wasn’t aware that a decades long practice could be called a “cause célèbre”, especially when the primary purpose of this practice is an attempt to reduce the stress on the less stable elements of our society who have become convinced that a machined chunk of steel, visibly secured in a holster, somehow represents a threat.

“ handguns, the only purpose of which is to kill human beings”. Possibly the worst lie in the entire column. I have been using firearms since a very young age. I have protected livestock, entertained others and been entertained myself with demonstrations of skill, and had the enjoyment of participating in countless firearms related sporting events. I have literally worn out firearms from use and had to replace them. I would have difficulty estimating the amount of ammunition I have expended, and never in all of that use, not one single time, has any of my firearms ever, EVER, been used to kill a human being. If (God forbid) I were ever required to defend my life I’m certain that a firearm would be an effective tool for doing so, but “the only purpose”? Hardly.

In fact it appears that what Mr. Penning is truly concerned about is not guns, but criminals. Well I realize the following concept may be difficult to grasp, but criminals generally ignore the law . The folks who are interested in the implications of SB476 are not criminals, they are law abiding citizens and precisely the type of people that you simply don’t have to worry about because they won’t violate a “small” law like “don’t drink and carry” let alone the HUGE laws like “don’t MURDER”.

I have one final thought intended specifically for Mr. Penning. Until recently I lived in Arlington and it is very likely that we ate at some of the same restaurants, went to some of the same events, and possibly even had one or more pleasant social interactions. If so I have a surprise for you. It is very likely that I was armed at the time and that it had no bearing whatsoever on the event. Why? Because being a firearms owner does NOT make me a criminal and has no sinister influence over my day to day behavior. So when you, Mr. Penning, attempt to draw a false parallel between the thousands of investigated and vetted (certified “good guy”) CCW permit holders who have never caused any trouble; and the tiny percentage of psychotics like Seung-Hui Cho you are falling victim to your own fears and stereotypes and showing a prejudice every bit as real, and as bad, as any other.
 
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Bravo! I have but one suggestion:

I have one final though intended specifically for Mr. Penning. Until recently I lived in Arlington and it is very likely that we ate at some of the same restaurants, went to some of the same events, and possibly even had one or more pleasant social interactions. If so I have a surprise for you. It is very likely that I was armed at the time and that it had no bearing whatsoever on the event. Why? Because being a firearms owner does NOT make me a criminal and has no sinister influence over my day to day behavior. So when you, Mr. Penning, attempt to draw a false parallel between the thousands of investigated and vetted (certified “good guy”) CCW permit holders who have never caused any trouble; and the tiny percentage of psychotics like Seung-Hui Cho you are falling victim to your own fears and stereotypes and showing a prejudice every bit as real, and as bad, as any other.

Put a "t" at the end of that thought... ::neener::D

Edit: We should bombard that paper asking for your rebuttal to be printed. I know nothing about that paper and whether or not it would be a lost cause.
 
Put a "t" at the end of that thought

See, that's why you NEVER proof your own work! :)...went back and fixed that.

When it's polished I'll submit it and let the board know when and where I did so. I can't even begin to tell you how badly this article pissed me off.

Ze
 
You can come close to telling me, because I was also seething after that article. The guy seems like one of those that has an opinion, and that is the way things are. But I don't care about him, I care what his biased article does to those who read it and have not formed an opinion yet.
 
Zespectre, found couple more for you.

Honestly some instructions from the NRA might have actually been helpfully once in a while but no, we’ve had to muddle along on our own, as citizens of Virginia, figuring out how to let the government know what we’d like done and making our voices heard.
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Have you been to the capitol Mr. Penning? I have and the politicians I’ve met aren’t “gun-obsessed” but they are very concerned with the both the responsibilities and the rights of the people of Virginia.

Very well written, good luck Sir!!

Tim
 
Great, now Marcus Vick will start bringing handguns to McDonalds and threatening little kids........oh, he did already?
 
Sounds like another article written by your typical libpervert.

That reading was ridiculous, and just reading it made my neck hairs stand on end.
 
Guy sounds like a typical ignorant anti.

ZeSpectre, Nice rebuttal. You pretty much nailed all of his points, and your tone in the letter is polite, which contrasts with his almost blatant hatred.

Ever consider politics?
 
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