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Nickle trigger/IDPA

Discussion in 'Competition Shooting' started by Red Cent, Jul 6, 2011.

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  1. Red Cent

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    Who has read their latest magazine? The article spoke to the ROs nabbing guys that violated equipment rules. One was a shooter who had a chrome trigger. WHATTT!!??
     
  2. Sam1911

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    I haven't read that article in question. I'd assume this was a shooter in SSP who had replaced the trigger of his gun?

    That would fall into the No.1 prohibited modification category for SSP:

    Or were you laughing 'cause he'd had his trigger chromed? That would be pretty funny! :)
     
  3. Red Cent

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    Yep. Go straight to ESP. Do not pass GO..

    Sam, if you use the same trigger, are they assuming there is subterfuge?

    If you use a trick (whatever that would be) trigger and contour if necessary, they would never know.
     
  4. Red Cent

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    Most of my DAs and SAs are polished on the front.I never go to the trouble of re-bluing. I do not like a ribbed trigger.
    Does that mean I have to repaint my G34's trigger?
     
  5. Sam1911

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    Well, again, I haven't read it so I don't know what the main beef was. However, if the modification is "visible" -- and a chrome-plated something is probably visible -- then they can call it.

    If it was a Glock and it had a metallic looking trigger, I'd say for sure something was up.

    But I just don't know yet.
     
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    Paraphrasing, it simply said one had a chrome trigger. This is the section that says guns. It does say that external visible modifications included........and one had a chrome trigger. Period.

    Guess I cannot polish the slide sides to mirror shine. Oh well.
     
  7. Jim Watson

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    The rule book says that even for SSP
    "8. Custom finishes may be applied."

    So what else might have been going on?
    A metal trigger in a Glock?
    Some other gun, some other trigger, obviously a replacement and not just the stock trigger plated?

    I dunno. Insufficient data.
     
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    This is in the Second Quarter 2011, Volume 15, Issue 2. The article is the "Inspection Stage at Local Matches" by Steve Koski A01608.

    Summary of results.
    Guns:
    A few SSP guns with externally visible modifications were found and moved to ESP. One had a chrome trigger.

    He goes on to point out extend mag releases and other stuff. I am not bitchin' about the rules but if someone spent a lot of money going to a match, who would know that?

    Maybe its the way it is written. Maybe a gun had other problems and the chrome trigger.
     
  9. 1911Tuner

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    Precisely why I don't get involved with these games. Too many idiotic rules and too many idiots who mean to enforce them to the letter. Same reason that I ran IHRA "Heads up/Run whatcha brung" instead of NHRA...back in the day.

    I mean...really? A DQ because the trigger was the wrong color?

    These people should stay home where they can't bother anybody.
     
  10. Red Cent

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    Yeah, fraid so Tunner but ya gotta put up with some or you couldn't play any games.
    In SASS, we had to put a powerfactor in, we had to put a "smoke" factor in for those mixing black with smokeless, we had to put limits on the short stroke of the lever guns, and ad nauseam.
    The PCCA game has a small number of rules. It will change. I hope not but it probably will. Dean says no more rules.

    Anyway, when you weigh them together, its more fun than not shooting with the guys.
     
  11. Sam1911

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    Gotta follow the rules if you want to play. (If you don't want to play, don't get bent out of shape about the rules.)

    The rules are generally all there for a reason, though that reason might not be apparent at first glance.

    And...
    Nope. Just a bump into a different classification where guns modified in whatever way that one was are welcomed.

    Not quite sure what you meant to say, but it does behoove a shooter who is paying money to travel to a big match to make sure he/she understands all the rules (they aren't all that complicated actually) and to check that his/her gear is within specs.

    The guy who gets bumped from SSP into ESP because his gun is visibly modified would be the same guy screaming if someone else's ammo didn't make power floor.

    (Actually, that's usually the killer. Folks show up at big matches and don't know whether their ammo is up to speed. ... Or they're skirting so close to the line that a cool morning or change in barometric pressure or whatever drops their load below the minimum. The MD of a State match nearby DQ'd his own wife for that a year or two ago! ... And he'd loaded her ammo! :what: :) )
     
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    Nervous nellies? Hey!!!
     
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    I don't believe the purpose of the inspections was to bust anyone over their equipment. From what I have read regarding the article Steve Koski wanted to do the check on the local level so members would have a better understanding and not get in trouble at a major match. From what I have read of Steve's writing I doubt he was out to get anyone.
     
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    But if he doesn't say, we don't know.
    I have a bright trigger in a SSR (except that it was stolen) but it is the factory part shined up.
     
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    They discussed this in the IDPA forum. It wasn't just a re-finished trigger, it was a metal trigger, in a Glock, trying to use it in SSP.

    1911Tuner...there isn't a :rolleyes: big enough.
     
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    I just looked at the scores posted from last Saturday's match, and I can't see any significant difference in scores between the SSP and ESP shooters at the same classification level.
     
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    Yup.
    Just picked that up.
    Entirely correct.

    I am not the Rules Czar (thank goodness) but I think STOCK Service Pistol ought to be held a lot closer to stock. But more work should be allowed on ENHANCED Service Pistol and CUSTOM Defensive pistol. Not optics or comps, though.

    Yup.
    Allowable tuneups to SSP and good technique make them very close. Ten shots is ten shots, pretty much. But we can't do anything that would reduce the number of trophies awarded.
     
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    I think the problem with more restriction in SSP/Production is that it's very hard to police. External mods are easy to catch, but if you have to take apart every gun and know what you are looking for in SSP it becomes much harder.
     
  20. Jim Watson

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    I dare say IPSC Production is closer to stock than IDPA SSP.

    As I suggested on Benos, do a real tech inspection on the winners before they get their trophies. Like horse racing; win, place, and show get drug tests. The also-rans don't matter.
     
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    USPSA Production and SSP are pretty close. The only difference that I can think of is that you can stipple Production guns. And the XD is OK for Production
     
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    You can do anything you want on the inside as long as it doesn't remove any safety device, but only sights, griptape and finish on the outside. Pretty simple, to me.
     
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    I didn't imply Koski was "out to get someone". Didn't occur to me. I realized the intent of the article and was interesting to see the violations. It simply surprised me. I accept the rules. Glad to see the item was explained.
     
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    Yes I realize that. I was addressing the people who think SSP isn't stock enough.
     
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    In a perfect world I would like it if they could keep SSP truly almost stock internally as well, with stock triggers, etc. Since that would be all but impossible to enforce, they have to stick to the external stuff. As mentioned, the differences between SSP and ESP guns are so small that it will still be more than 99% about the shooter skill. Getting bumped from SSP to ESP will not make you non-competitive at the match. This coming from an SSP shooter.

    The rules are the rules; it is the shooter responsibility to know them before they show up to a major match. At the local level I don't have a problem letting stuff slide once or twice for a new shooter (If we DQ'd new shooters locally for illegal gear, 95% of the newbies would be DQd), but even there, allowing people to continue with illegal gear is not doing them any favors if they intend to continue in the sport.
     
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