nike defense on the border

[BikerRN]

I hunt on our southern border, as that's where my preferred game animals are at.

I have to keep eyes in the back of my head and view it like I'm in Indian country in the 1870's. I look to avoid other people, always carry more than one firearm, and will do nothing to help an illegal or dope mule other than mention it to the Border Patrol, along with a general location. I figure the more of them that die in the desert the less encounters I and others will have.

I am all for reducing the number of encounters between hunters, property owners, and folks out doing legal activities and the illegal aliens, dope mules, and other assorted criminal types along our border. Sadly the border is not secure and it's more dangerous now than it has ever been.

Biker

 

[baylorattorney]

Nothing new. Armed Traffic is increasing. Washington DC won't recognize the problem. We are on our own. Self defense begins with self.


Mark, esquire

 

[BikerRN]

Sadly while we may be on our own we still have to follow laws that don't fit the situation on the border.

Back in my Great Grandparent's time they could shoot Indians on sight and I say that's what we should be able to do to illegals, dopers, and other vermin on the border.

Biker

 

[MCgunner]

That's pretty scarey running into drug smugglers in the desert like that, goes way beyond illegals coming in for other reasons. These guys are armed and dangerous and ain't afraid to shoot you on sight.

We went out to Big Bend last spring since my new wife has never been there. I wanted to show it to her. She had no idea such country was in Texas. There are signs all over the park noting not to engage anyone you run across. We were not to buy trinkets from the locals at Boquillas, something done at 911, nothing to do with drugs or mobsters. But, it's hard on the folks at Boquillas as the tourists were their main...only....income.

We saw no one suspicious, just some locals fishing in the river at Boquillas canyon. I did some hikes, carried a 4" .357 magnum in a fanny pack figuring I needed something with some reach to it. Of course, in the park, it's gotta be concealed per state rules. No open carry of anything, rifles or handguns.

I can tell ya, it ain't any "better", the violence across the border is getting worse and worse and lots of 'em are getting over here just out of self preservation and, I mean, I can't really blame 'em! It is invading this state/country, too, as we've had some incidents of shootouts with DPS and such here. The governor has rangers, DPS, guard down along the border, but not near enough. It's a mess. Juarez seems to be the worst of it. They've even gotten rounds hitting the city hall in El Paso from fire fights across in Juarez.

Not sure what all that has to do with hunting. I wasn't hunting in the Bend, just hiking, but hunters out in west and down in south Texas see this sort of thing all the time. My wife's cousin has a lease just a few miles from the river down south east of Eagle Pass. They've had hunts ruined by border patrol blazing across the ranch after either mojados or drug runners, not sure which. They sat on a hill and watched the action one day. This has happened several times on this lease to them and two were just this year. This is a lease of about 2K acres.

Yeah, it's bad.

 

[Zombiphobia]

It's not just you, it's all over the southern border. I think the Laredo and Nogales areas are the worst tho being the most major USA/Mexico entry points besides San Diego/Tijuana.. but it's too heavily populated to allow the same amount of armed foot-crossing.

They've sent mass text mesages for contract killings, put up recruitment signs on the highways... don't go out unarmed and do not approach them. If you're driving thru a rural area near the border and see any hitch-hikers.. sorry bud, gotta leav 'em, not safe to help them.

It's the result of a cartel fued is all.

I used to live near Antelope Peak where a Pinal County deputy was shot while(for some stupid reason) attempted following a group of smugglers on his own. I'm sure plenty of you have heard... somehow he missed the fact that most of them were carrying AK's and Mac 10's.. I dunno how someone conceals an Ak-47, but as soon as he crested the hill they disappeared behind, they opened fire; obviously knew he was following them and was alone, so they ambushed him and called in their pick-up on Highway 8. They were gone before the deputy's back-up could arrive.. which consisted of most cop-power within 3 surrounding counties including helicopters.
A friend of my wife said her mother witnessed the men load their bales into the truck, rifles visible, and drive off. She was too afraid to report it/ which direction they went, but it eventually got out.

A few weeks later, two smugglers were shot by an unknown shooter(who was reportedly alone) and their call to 911 was repeated several times; the operator could hear the 'victim' begging for his life, praying, and said 'I'm where the deputy was shot at antelope peak'. This is how messages are delivered.

BTW, the National Guard troops deployed to the southern border have no authority to open fire, apprehend etc.. they still must call the Border Patrol... that's what i read, anyway.

 

[BikerRN]

A few weeks later, two smugglers were shot by an unknown shooter(who was reportedly alone) and their call to 911 was repeated several times; the operator could hear the 'victim' begging for his life, praying, and said 'I'm where the deputy was shot at antelope peak'. This is how messages are delivered.

That is a message that should be delivered to anyone that crosses the border illegally.

Biker

 

[788Ham]

I'm not for sitting out in the shade waiting on these cholos, to shoot on sight or even condone this practice. But as my buddies son said, "One never knows when you'll run into 10-15 of them, they just show up around the bend in the creek." If they're carrying AR's and Mac -10's, you won't stand a chance!

My meaning earlier, if one is legitimately hunting, fishing, or just hiking, its terrible we have to resort to carrying firearms, just because of dope mules and illegals, but Obama and his cronies have brought this onto all of us. The article in this last weeks Denver Post, telling about the US and Mexico wanting to put in a kiosk, of all such crap, for the illegals to pass through, not take so much time to get on their way. What is this crap about? A kiosk, why did they bother putting in a fence, why don't they just cut a big hole in the fence, and tell them free beer and agua?

 

[Zombiphobia]

That is a message that should be delivered to anyone that crosses the border illegally.

No it shouldn't.

Way things are now, I'm not sure I could even justify shooting the drug mules. Last year South of Brownsville the Zeta's seized and executed 72 people for refusing to run drugs for them. Those people only wanted a better life and died for it.

The Zeta's are the ex-enforcers of the Juarez cartel who decided to go into business for themselves. Much of the violence on the border is because of that.

But go ahead and start a gun-fight with some of those guys, I guarantee you won't make it out alive.

 

[Art Eatman]

Looks like we've covered the subject fairly well, for now...