divemedic
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I just got back from a gun show here in Orlando, and along with a discussion in the Disney thread, what happened has caused me to think of a question:
At the door to the gun show there is a sign that reads "No firearms allowed inside, even with a concealed weapons permit." Also at the door, a police officer (FHP) asked me if was carrying a weapon. When I said no, he said "Are you sure? Don't make me frisk you!" (He said it in a joking manner, but ...)
At Disney, a worker who legally had a weapon in his car was met in the parking lot by Disney security and half a dozen deputies who demanded to search his car. He refused and was suspended.
My question is not about the rights of property owners, but of police powers:
1 It is illegal to lie to a LEO who is conducting an investigation in the performance of his duties. If the LEO is working as a security guard, he is not in the performance of his duties as a LEO, then I am free to lie to him. If I do so, can I be lawfully arrested?
2 Does he have the legal authority to search me, or even to demand that I submit to a search?
It seems to me that a LEO working as a security guard and engaging in searches is opening himself, the property owner, and his department in a legally precarious position.
At the door to the gun show there is a sign that reads "No firearms allowed inside, even with a concealed weapons permit." Also at the door, a police officer (FHP) asked me if was carrying a weapon. When I said no, he said "Are you sure? Don't make me frisk you!" (He said it in a joking manner, but ...)
At Disney, a worker who legally had a weapon in his car was met in the parking lot by Disney security and half a dozen deputies who demanded to search his car. He refused and was suspended.
My question is not about the rights of property owners, but of police powers:
1 It is illegal to lie to a LEO who is conducting an investigation in the performance of his duties. If the LEO is working as a security guard, he is not in the performance of his duties as a LEO, then I am free to lie to him. If I do so, can I be lawfully arrested?
2 Does he have the legal authority to search me, or even to demand that I submit to a search?
It seems to me that a LEO working as a security guard and engaging in searches is opening himself, the property owner, and his department in a legally precarious position.