No Guns = No Money: Let's educate the masses.

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The natural reaction of anyone when they are attacked is to dig in, and become defensive.
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Some will view the cards as an attack (although they may think you're the only one)-trying to predict a business owner's views/reactions is a crap shoot.
Business owners are just like anyone else-some will let their emotions get the best of them, some will look at the problem from a logical/business point of view-hey, I'm in business to make money, and if this is costing me money...

Organized boycotts are only effective if the pain of lost sales exceeds the conviction of the owner about the issue. Even if you win, compulsion is never a pretty emotion to swallow. Someone who holds very strong convictions will likely strengthen them further, no matter the cost.
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Can't speak for other state organizations, but I'm pretty sure VCDL has had numerous contacts with reported non-gun friendly businesses before they're finally put on the list.
If someone has "very strong convictions" (no gun policy), I kinda doubt handing 'em a card is going to sway 'em...
 
Of course, I would leave if asked. And never go back. (30.05)

However, I am thinking that there are so 'few' businesses in my area of Dallas that are properly signed, that I would rather send a letter that basically says the same thing as the card as to remain anonymous when I do carry in their 'improperly' signed businesses. Letting them know that there sign has no legal merit would NOT be my goal, of course.
 
I like the idea of incorporating the AZ "bullets" on the back of the card to counter the liability argument. The card should do two things, educate the business that they're not prohibiting guns they're prohibiting carry permit holders and educate them on how their thinking is flawed and serves no purpose. Make it a teaching opportunity instead of an angry confrontation.

Let's stay focused on the idea of a card to provide to businesses and save the CCW-holder friendly/hostile business lists to another day. They have their own plusses and minuses completely different from the OP's idea.
 
In the spirit of constructive criticism....

I don't like the look of the card.

It sounds defensive. Instead of emphasizing the 'barring legal CCW license holders = loss of money" point, it's a list of things you don't do. And from a PR standpoint, having "guns" mentioned on the same card as "felony", "domestic violence", "illegal drugs", and "fugitive from justice" sounds bad.

And the use of the pistol image with the red slash through it almost makes it look like an anti-gun thing.

Just my two cents.
 
I don't like to in any way support the licensing of concealed carry. I think these cards glorify licensure by saying how good you have to be in order to be granted the "privilege" to bear arms by the government. I wouldn't want to patronize a store that supports concealed carry licensure either, so I don't really care for the amended versions of the signs. They are better than prohibiting all guns on the premises, but still not what I'd like to see. I'd rather try to get them to remove the sign altogether. Having a sign that prohibits the illegal carry of guns is about as stupid as having a sign that says "no illegal robbery allowed."
 
Mr. Scott - if the 30.06 sign is invalid and you tell them and they tell you that they don't want you to carry, that's it. You can't carry. Is that what you are saying?

The sign then becomes irrelevant to you personally.
 
henschman: I understand your point, but I think that reasoning is beyond the grasp of anyone who would ban firearms.

I do agree that the anti-gun banner on the card is too much. I'd like to see some kind of graphic that catches the eye, but I'd rather it not be something that at a glance could be construed as supporting the anti's. Also, I think the "Hi. I carry a gun." could be a panic inducer. I'd hate to see a someone call the cops in fear after getting one of these cards.

Otherwise, great work ElectrikKoolAid!
 
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Telling them that they're banning our dollars from their business is the message we're trying to communicate clearly and showing them what they're actually doing is more valuable than the gun/slash symbol in communicating this.
 
The card does seem a bit too confrontational. Better to play it as mellow as possible since some people are very flaky about guns but a mellow approach can help them see they are being foolish. Act calm yet friendly like Carl Sagan who was good at debunking misleading thinking.

Carl Sagan debunking Astrology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iunr4B4wfDA

Carl Sagan debunking UFO's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAUCr9OorXU

I've noticed many gas stations put up the "no unlicensed concealed carry" signs. Bring that point up with managers. If the places robbed so much that it's cliche like Legal concealed carry, why not your business?

Polite but firm letters to corporate HQ usually gets things changed on most any reasonable problem. They assume you sent a letter but 10+ people who feel the way you do didn't bother. When you vote with your money, companies tend to listen if they are reasonable (most are). Companies do screw up and miss things that they later think, "Boy was that a dumb mistake". Give them one chance, then be ready to take your business elsewhere.

This news show clip makes the point quickly. Yes I know it's been seen, but not by some people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7pGt_O1uM8

If you find a chain of restaurants/stores/malls/etc.... that just puts up those "No unlicensed Concealed weapons" signs, then definitely send them a "thank you for letting me be prepared to defend myself and my family/friends" letter. The more companies wake up to reality and make concealed carry welcome, the better. Anonymous letters if you want, just talk to them.

Of course sometimes the CEO/Manager/owner is an unreasonable fanatic and won't change their mind or even listen to reason. Some people are just flaky. Move on. Then, be ready to find a new place to spend your money.
 
If they're sane and can see reason they will mellow out. This is probably 50% of the time.

About 10-30% are stuck in their ways and you won't change them. Don't waste much time, just move on. Maybe they will change on their own later. Who knows? Just move on.

These statistics are my own estimates since there is no way to get an accurate survey on this. People lie, often to themselves too.
 
bare arms= Adjective: (of a person or part of the body) Not clothed or covered.
Verb: Uncover (a part of the body or other thing) and expose it to view: "he bared his chest".

bear= bear arms
a to carry weapons
b to serve in the armed forces
 
A couple of years ago I was up in the Twin Cities on business, and stayed at a chain hotel that had a "no guns" sign at their restaurant entrance. Now, MN didn't have reciprocity with TX at the time AND for this short trip I had only a carry-on bag, so I was unarmed. But when dining at the free breakfast buffet (served poolside) a man and woman approached me and identified themselves as hotel executives for the chain, and asked how I liked the hotel.

I told them the hotel was fine, but not the restaurant. They said "The remodeling?" I replied "No, the sign. I met with colleagues last night for dinner and rather than eat here, we noticed your sign and decided to respect your wishes by taking our business elsewhere . . . which I plan to do next time I'm in town."

We had a very cordial conversation, they agreed that the sign had no useful purpose . . . and by that afternoon the sign was GONE. (It had been glued on, so they had some repairs to do on the sheetrock.)

Before I left, I made a point of finding the guy and thanking him for his responsiveness.
 
As far as making the business cards-- couple years ago a gentleman here in MI made up several thousand.
He asked thet if you wanted 50-75 send a few bucks and a stamped envelope. Hed stick them in your supplied envelope and in a few days youd have a good supply, maybe enough for you, wife and couple friends, depending on how much $$ you sent. Many would do this but never go to their print shop and get couple hundred. Cheaper this way-way cheaper.
 
I don't know...

I can only relate my experience of telling one shopkeeper I had a CCW permit and his sign was forcing me to choose unattractive options. He listened, thought about it, and changed his policy once he understood the realities and the financial consequences.

He stated the "no guns" stickers were part of an anti-gun literature scare package that was distributed to businesses by attractive young women shortly after NC passed the concealed carry law in the late 1990s.

He said he never really thought about it after that, and it was just kind of "there", like the Visa/Mastercard and Chamber of Commerce stickers on his front door.

I didn't live here then, but I've noticed most of those signs (that are not on government facilites) are kind of old and weather-beaten.

Since the "Death and Bloodshed in the streets" never materialized as promised by the anti-gun crowd, perhaps allowing people to revisit their options is a smart move for the pro-2nd amendment crowd.

While I respect the work of NRA and others, buying politicians and funding lawsuits is only converting the faithful.

People in the middle of the road probably could care less, or at worst are easy to convince in a low-key discussion.

Just my humble opinion, with double your money back if dissatisfied.
 
I am not taking any sides here, but what is the reason the stores are not allowing guns in? Is it because they are afraid of being robbed by those guns, or is it because some customers may become disturbed if they were to see a glimpse / outline of a CCW? If they don't allow it, nothing to it but to go shop elsewhere. What works and what doesn't work will hopefully work itself out through a process of social evolution.
 
mayors for gun control

This IS the first place to start. You'd be surprised to see who is on the list. Get rid of them and state and local WILL respond.
 
I am not taking any sides here, but what is the reason the stores are not allowing guns in? Is it because they are afraid of being robbed by those guns, or is it because some customers may become disturbed if they were to see a glimpse / outline of a CCW?
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Good question. The pro-gun stand from non-shop owners is that the shop owners must be trying to keep bad guys from using guns in the shops. That could not be further from the truth. No shop owner actually believes that a no guns sign will keep them from getting robbed by a person with a gun. Telling them that real criminals won't respect their signs isn't news to them. Why the gun community often thinks that shop owners are trying to preclude criminals from having guns is beyond me.

The shop owners are trying to reduce the liability of that which they can control, the law abiding gun owners, some of whome are idiots who seem to have a need to fiddle with their guns while out in public. This is a very definite minority, but one that makes the news all too often, sometimes shooting themselves or others in the process of their stupid actions, sometimes just having an ND. Even worse, there are those that when spotted become confrontational when they are personally asked to remove the gun from the premises, make a scene, and otherwise cause problems for the store.

It is people like this that shoot themselves in the testicles that are truly bothersome to store owners...
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011994648_accident31m.html

This ND injured 4!!!
http://www.usacarry.com/negligent-discharge-at-orlando-restaurant-over-lack-of-holster/

Carl's Jr. lost a toilet to an ND...
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-420128.html
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=5315514

Walmart ND...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20100409/us-odd-gun-discharge-arrest/

Never mind all the NDs that happen at gun shows with alarming regularity despite most gun shows not allowing loaded weapons.

Then there are those busineses that sometimes have to involve confrontational people. They don't want some legally armed yahoo getting upset and stupidly drawing a gun out of anger...ala road rage stupidity.
 
DNS is correct. The law review articles against allowing stress the liability from the legal gun owner doing a bad thing.
 
"Officially Credentialed Firearms ONLY!" with a shield would be a start. We can illustrate the Bill of Rights later. My .02
 
Seems like a great idea to me, but I wonder how many businesses would actually change their policy. Just an assumption really, but I would think most "big" businesses (businesses that are nationwide, or maybe restaurants that are franchises) would have the "no firearm" policy at the corporate level, which would mean individual store/restaurant managers wouldn't be allowed to change the policy, even if they didn't agree with it. Just a thought.
 
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