Brian; All 3 guns at the gun show today were 4". The model 19 was very holster worn. It was the same price as the model 13. The 13 was pinned and recessed, the 19 wasn't. The 65 was recessed but not pinned, but I just didn't like it. Probably just the grips. Plus, it wasn't the stainless steel like the silverware that you eat with. It was a dull finish. I just preferred the blue ones. For me, having the much older, but better looking and feeling model 13, just seemed like the right choice. Later... Mike....