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No More ILLINOIS F.O.I.D. ?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by charliemopic, Jan 30, 2006.

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  1. charliemopic

    charliemopic Member

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    My wife applied for her IL. Firearms Owners ID (FOID) in August 2004 and recieved it within 3 weeks. I applied for my IL. FOID on Nov. 22, 2005 and havn't heard anything!
    We've been shooting regularly for the past 3 years, I shoot about 3 times a month depending on the weather. I shoot on my mother in law's farm which is a 20 minute drive on semi-rural roads and sometimes I will leave my guns there but there are times when I do transport my gun(s) to & from the farm for cleaning,ect. When I do transport I do it in my 1994 4door 4x4 S10 Blazer which has no trunk and I try to do it right with the bolt removed from my bolt action rifle and the slide removed from my auto pistols with a trigger lock or cable lock on all stored in a lockable 'gun' case. Ammunition, Shoot & See targets, rifle bipod and other range necessities are stored away from the guns and none of it within ez reach of passenger seating. I also keep a copy of the sales reciept in the gun case. All this should indicate responsible firearms ownership.
    Now that I have introduced a few friends to 'responsible' gun ownership and 'safe' shooting we would like to go to an indoor pistol range but this requires an IL. FOID for all Illinois residents. Even worse, I just found out it is a FELONY for IL. residents to transport any firearm in IL. without a FOID! 'I' am not a criminal and have every desire and intention to be lawful but geez-maneez whats it gonna take to become lawful?
    ~Does anyone have any information on the issuance or non-issuance of new IL. FOID cards?
    Nowdays when you're pulled over for a traffic stop the officer will ask if there are any drugs, guns or other things he/she should know about and I would have to say "yes" to the gun part of that question. I live in Will county, IL. and our officers aren't bad at all when compared to some of the small town cops around here but I would stilll expect to go to jail.
    ~Any thought or comments?
    Thanks.
    Angelo B. New Lenox, IL.
     
  2. dmftoy1

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    There was an article in the paper about 2-3 week ago about the State Police being 60 days behind on issuing FOIDS. It's supposed to take 30 days max. From what I understand Blago made cuts in the State Police in the department that issues FOIDS. I was talking to the people who run the large local gunshop and they said that issue has since been corrected with some new hires, but I don't know if that's true or not. I suspect you'll be receiving your card soon.

    Regards,
    Dave
     
  3. DonP

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    Welcome to Will County!

    I'm up in Frankfort, an escapee from Crook County for the last 15 years.

    The FOID foolishness is supposedly in the process of getting fixed, so you should be seeing your card in a few weeks, if not sooner.

    It's kind of a waste though, since it was put in before the Instant Background Checks. But heaven forbid the idiot governnor ends any program that generates revenue and gives him and Daley the names of every Illinois gun owner.

    If you are looking for a nice range that is fairly close and don't want to pay the ISRA fees for their range in Kankakee try Willow Slough across the border in free Indiana. 25, 50 and 100 yard ranges with very nice covered bench rests as well as a trap range. All free to use.

    Pretty good fishing at the lake too I hear.
     
  4. Canuck-IL

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    A friend had the same predicament on a renewal...he called and was told that the card had been issued 3 weeks earlier but not yet mailed out...they do them in batches (only in IL!!)...card showed up 3 days later.
    /B
     
  5. scout26

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    Charliemopic,

    I went through the same thing last year for my renewal in . 2 days before my FOID card expired, I carefully went through my car and made sure that all the loose rounds ( .270 ??? Where did that come from ??? I've never owned or even fired a .270 ???). Told my wife that all the guns in the safe, in case anyone asked, were hers (as her FOID was still good for another 2 years), but that she could not sell them. :evil: Then the card expired. I technically became a felon when three weeks later I took the guns out of the safe for their quarterly wipe-down and oiling. It took 5 weeks after mine expired to get the renewal even though I had sent mine in the Saturday after I got the renewal notice in the mail. (roughly 9 weeks total !!!!)

    No Trap, Skeet, 5 Stand or Sporting Clays during that time. :( :mad: :fire: :cuss: Not even so much as plinking with a .22.

    IANAL, but I seriously advise against driving around with any firearms and no FOID card. It only takes one cop having a bad day or an over zealous states attorney to end your 2A rights. That's why my 12 year old daughter has a FOID card (which surprisingly only took 3 weeks, go figure.)

    "No officer, those aren't my guns in the back, they're my daughter's, here's her FOID card." :what: :neener: :D :rolleyes:



    She also had to "buy" the bag of wads and a bag of shot I tried to buy at Gander Mountain while my card was expired. I figured that since I "didn't" have a FOID card, that I couldn't buy Primers or Powder, the stuff that goes bang, but geez, 25# of lead and bag of plastic requires "Offical Government Approval".

    Two years ago, a buddy of mine just sat around at Deer Camp, because his FOID had expired, even though he had sent in his renewal early.

    Yep, It's a stupid law, but it's still the law.
     
  6. Johnnybgood

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    Senator Brady has sponsored

    a bill to repeal the FOID card act. Bill# 2963. I think the man wants to be our next Governer.:)
     
  7. tulsamal

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    So was the one that required German Jews to wear yellow stars on their clothes. Look how well that one ended up!

    Every time I hear stuff like this I have to shake my head. It doesn't even seem possible. Like they say, "You can't make this stuff up!"

    Gregg
     
  8. scout26

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    Tulsamal,

    Interesting analogy. I do resent the fact that I have to have a "permission slip" from the state government to exercise my RTKABA, but I am working to change the law. We are law-abiding gun-owners.

    Maybe when I'm 90, I'll volunteer to be the test case. Unless someone else
    wants to step up and risk their 2A rights before then.........but then this is the state that produced the infamous Morton Grove decision....
     
  9. alan

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    An article in 10 Feb issue of Gun Week told about how the Chicago Tribune is pushing for a significant increase in the FOID Card Fee, saying that even with doubling or tripling the fee, it would still be "affordable".

    Strikes me that the question of "affordability" is beside the point, for a 1943 USSC ruling, Murdock v Pennsylvania I believe, appears to say that the state charging a fee for the exercise of a constitutional right is a "no-no". Seems that this is exactly what this FOID Card and it's attached fee does. Of course, I'm rather less than expert in constitutional law in particular, or in the law in general. I wonder if the above mentioned ruling has ever been overturned?

    I also believe, not certain about this, that the present governor, how did he get elected had, at one time, opined that the fee might/should be raised to $100 or thereabouts. How does the following sound. The power to tax is the power to destroy.

    What with one thing and or another, might it be that Illinois politicos are trying to destroy the right to keep and bear arms? Perhaps something for some to think about.
     
  10. Standing Wolf

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    Hey, if it keeps even one commoner from buying a gun...
     
  11. isp2605

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    Here's the deal on why the cards are backlogged.
    3 yrs ago the governor put the edict to all state agencies under his control that all contractual workers were to be off the state payroll by the end of 2004. Contractual workers are employed by a temp agency who then work for the state. It's a substantial savings for the state. Contractuals get paid maybe $10/hr, sometimes less, sometimes a dollar more. The savings is the state doesn't have to pay retirement, insurance, work comp, etc. Flat out cost to the state is the hourly rate. The plan was to replace some of the contractuals with hiring full time state employees. The reason for terminating contract employees and hiring state employees to replace them I'll leave to others to speculate.
    State agencies had to terminate the contracts with the temp employees. The State Police was granted an extension until 2005 however until that time contractuals were gradually terminated. Most of the FOID processing was done by the contractual so when the they were removed there were no other persons left to do the processing. Some of the processing was contracted out to a private vendor which is why one may hear of "batch" issuances.
    It's not just FOID where you're going to see reduction in state services, altho FOID is what people on these boards are interested in so that gets the attention. If you are getting any service from any agency under the governor you would have seen a reduction in timeliness compared to when contractual employees were on the job.
    So it's no conspiracy on FOID. It's all of state services that are affected. There's nearly 1/4 mil FOID cards renewed every year. I don't know what the backlog is right now but it was about 25,000 cards. Some contractual help has been hired. It will take a while to catch up the backlog and also continue with renewal of the normal 1/4 mil received plus any new applications.
    Reference the cost for those not in IL or those in IL who don't know. FOID costs $5 for 5 yrs. $3 of that goes to conservation. $2 goes to administering and issuing the card. This cost was set in 1968. However, issuing costs are now about $7 per card.
     
  12. scout26

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    And if we eliminate the FOID card the cost is then $0. But in the meantime, until we find someone willing to a) risk their 2A rights and b) make sure that it'll be a slam dunk for our side (again, I point to the Morton Grove case, in which we lost and lost badly, when everyone thought that it would be a slam dunk for our side.), we have to obey the law, while we work to change it.
     
  13. Mongo the Mutterer

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    How about AFSCME?
    :scrutiny:
     
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    I'm not commenting. Surmise as one wishes.

    (AFSCME endorsed the current guv for election in 2002.)
     
  15. Don Gwinn

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    He's trying to give you as much information as he can. Don't try to get him into trouble for doing that, OK?
     
  16. Gatman

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    At one point $500 was suggested. They said we should raise the cost to $7.00 to meet the cost. Wouldnt it make more sense to end this useless program?
     
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    Note : A year or two ago they passed a law which made it legal for someone without a FOID card to go shooting as long as they are with someone who has a FOID. So you can take your buddies with you as long as you're using your guns and you have a FOID.

    But yeah, screw this state anyway. :)
     
  18. Mongo the Mutterer

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    OK.

    Just glad Granny left Jerseyville about 1900...
     
  19. oneshooter

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    Shore am glad I live in TEXAS!!!:D

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    Livin in Texas
     
  20. Houndawg

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    And now they're supporting Topinkavich in the primary.
     
  21. isp2605

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    Yes, but the inquiry was about why all the contractual people were being removed with the intent to replace some with new hired state employees.
     
  22. Don Gwinn

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    Yuh huh. How are those permits to buy handguns working out for ya?
    ;)
    Illinois politics suck, but Missouri is not exactly utopia.
     
  23. Houndawg

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    Because the new hires broke out the checkbooks. The same way we are getting Majors and Wardens at the prisons that are hired off the street with no corrections experience.
     
  24. Mongo the Mutterer

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    Permits work fine, PITA waste of time though. My favorite gun dealer says they (we) are going to try to get a law through next year to get rid of the Permit to Purchase (for those non-Missourians, we have to go to the sherriff's office to apply for purchase of a handgun, and take the paperwork to the dealer.)

    At least I don't have to show a FOID card everytime I buy ammo. Just bought 500 rounds at Wally World in Chesterfield Friday. "Here's my cash... here's your ammo".
     
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    You have to apply for a permit from the sheriff everytime you buy a handgun? And you think FOID is a hassle???:rolleyes:
    No thanks. As little as a FOID card does, choosing between FOID and MO's process, I'll stick with FOID.
     
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