No More ILLINOIS F.O.I.D. ?

[Mongo the Mutterer]

You have to apply for a permit from the sheriff everytime you buy a handgun? And you think FOID is a hassle???
No thanks. As little as a FOID card does, choosing between FOID and MO's process, I'll stick with FOID.

Yep it is a PAIN, but it may be going away...

We don't have a statewide hit list of gun owners, as Illinois has. Oh, and Brady lists MO as a D+ (not good enough, but we are trying). Illinois is a B+.

 

[charliemopic]

LEOs without renewed FOID?

Given the ultra slow process time for IL. FOID I wonder how many LEOs are out there with expired FOIDs waiting on their renewals?

 

[Houndawg]

Given the ultra slow process time for IL. FOID I wonder how many LEOs are out there with expired FOIDs waiting on their renewals?

It doesn't matter for them. They don't have to have FOIDs to carry at work.

 

[Gatman]

It doesn't matter for them. They don't have to have FOIDs to carry at work.

What about off duty?

 

[Houndawg]

What about off duty?

If their department allows it, then their creds will cover them. If not, then their creds will still cover them. Who's gonna bust a cop for carrying or having guns in the house?

 

[PCGS65]

You have to apply for a permit from the sheriff everytime you buy a handgun? And you think FOID is a hassle???
No thanks. As little as a FOID card does, choosing between FOID and MO's process, I'll stick with FOID.

You mean there's a state worse than(anti every right)Illinois for buying/owning firearms? That's hard to believe? Is Missouri run by Democrats?

 

[Don Gwinn]

Honestly? No, it's not worse. It's not perfect, but that's all I was saying.

Illinois still sucks more. But we'll always have Da Bears.

 

[Jeff White]

Houndawg,

The police do have to have a FOID card to carry at work. That law was changed at least 10 years ago.

BTW, there are many states with worse restrictions of firearms then Illinois. As Don said, in Missouri you have to get a permit from the local police to buy a handgun, every time. Other states have restrictions on so called assault weapons, longer waiting periods etc.

Jeff

 

[PCGS65]

Hey Don, Jeff isn't there only four states in the country that doesn't allow CCW? With Illinois being one of them, and wisconsin another. To me that would be the four worst states for 2A rights.

 

[charliemopic]

re: ???

If their department allows it, then their creds will cover them. If not, then their creds will still cover them. Who's gonna bust a cop for carrying or having guns in the house?

I've tried to read and comprehend the Illinois firearm statues but it is confusing and seems to contradict itself.
Do you need a FOID to simply posses (not shoot) a firearm on your Illinois private property, in your dwelling, your home?
I shoot outdoors on the in-law's 200 or so acre farm in Will county,IL. I have a makeshift range set up no less than 100 yards from the state gravel road and about 70 yards from the house. I shoot away from any structure, house, barn, whatever at a downward angle into a pit or bullet catch so if a bullet does get past the pit it will strike the earth shortly thereafter.
The father in law is not a hunter and does not have a FOID. He does however carry an old tube fed Remington .22LR semi-auto rifle loaded with CCI Stinger .22LR ammo with him in the combine during harvest not for protection but for cayote and certain nuisance birds that he shoots. He sees cayote regularly but never took one.
Could he technically get into big trouble for this?
We don't own nor shoot any centerfire rifles.
Thanks
BTW, I am going to get the father-inlaw a FOID application and try to talk him into sending it in.

 

[sctman800]

Illinois is near the bottom of the barrel on gun rights but I think there are more things to consider than being one of the four non CCW states. It is my understanding that Hawaii and New Jersey both have CCW laws but just try to get one. In Mass. a loaded mag is treated as a loaded gun, while we at least have "fanny pack" carry.
Of course if the present proposed Illinois AWB would pass then that would pretty much put us on the bottom. Jim.

 

[Don Gwinn]

Do you need a FOID to simply posses (not shoot) a firearm on your Illinois private property, in your dwelling, your home?

Yes, you do. Sorry. Same for ammunition. There's an exception for shooting with someone else who has a valid FOID, but I believe that's a newer thing.

Your father-in-law is breaking the law. Whether he gets caught is of course up in the air, but yeah, he's certainly taking a risk. He's better off with the FOID.

The Illinois FOID Card Act is available online at www.ilga.gov where you can search all Illinois laws, legislators' information, and proposed legislation.

The relevant part for this discussion says:

(430 ILCS 65/2) (from Ch. 38, par. 83‑2)
Sec. 2. Firearm Owner's Identification Card required; exceptions.
(a) (1) No person may acquire or possess any firearm,

stun gun, or taser within this State without having in his or her possession a Firearm Owner's Identification Card previously issued in his or her name by the Department of State Police under the provisions of this Act.
(2) No person may acquire or possess firearm

ammunition within this State without having in his or her possession a Firearm Owner's Identification Card previously issued in his or her name by the Department of State Police under the provisions of this Act.

So we check under "sentence" and find this:

(430 ILCS 65/14) (from Ch. 38, par. 83‑14)
Sec. 14. Sentence.
(a) A violation of paragraph (1) of subsection (a) of Section 2, when the person's Firearm Owner's Identification Card is expired but the person is not otherwise disqualified from renewing the card, is a Class A misdemeanor.
(b) Except as provided in subsection (a) with respect to an expired card, a violation of paragraph (1) of subsection (a) of Section 2 is a Class A misdemeanor when the person does not possess a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card, but is otherwise eligible under this Act. A second or subsequent violation is a Class 4 felony.
(c) A violation of paragraph (1) of subsection (a) of Section 2 is a Class 3 felony when:
(1) the person's Firearm Owner's Identification Card

is revoked or subject to revocation under Section 8; or
(2) the person's Firearm Owner's Identification Card

is expired and not otherwise eligible for renewal under this Act; or
(3) the person does not possess a currently valid

Firearm Owner's Identification Card, and the person is not otherwise eligible under this Act.

So I think, in my little layman's brain, that the first offense will be a misdemeanor. The second would be a felony. That only applies if he's "qualified" to get a FOID when they check, though. If he has some disqualifying factor like a criminal record it goes straight to a felony, I believe.

 

[Onmilo]

If you live in Illinois and need to have your FOID renewed do so at a gun shop that processes FOID applications.
Ask for a receipt, most will give you one anyway, have the shop list on the receipt that you are reapplying to renew your current card.
Keep the receipt wrapped around your old card until you receive your new card.
90% of the law enforcement in Illinois realize you are not at fault for the state taking so long to send your new card and will honor the receipt as proof of a valid right to transport and use your firearms while you are waiting for your new card.
Should your card expire before you receive your new one, you will not be able to buy ammunition or firearms until you receive the new card but you will not go to jail for taking your firearms to the shooting range or out hunting.

This applies to areas south of Interstate 80,
I make no guarantees for what can happen to you if you live or travel through the Chicagoland area.

 

[charliemopic]

Still NO FOID

It has been 3 full months since I have applied for my first IL. FOID.
I wonder if anyone knows of anyone who has recieved an IL. FOID during the past few months?
Has anyone seen any evidence that Illinois FOID cards are in fact still being issued to non-LEOs?
If an administration wanted to curtail the state's population from legal firearm ownership real clever like this would be one way to do it.

 

[Kingcreek]

I can only suggest you try what I did when my renewal app was delayed. I called my state rep and state senators offices, I called the ISRA, I called the ISP firearm division (they process the FOIDs), and I called the governor's office. all this was during one afternoon a few days before mine was to expire. I protested that I did not violate any state laws- even tho I disagreed with them! I kept calling and made myself a pain in thier springfield butts until the director of the ISP firearm division called me personally and said they were expediting my app.

 

[whm1974]

No person may acquire or possess any firearm,

stun gun, or taser within this State without having in his or her possession a Firearm Owner's Identification Card previously issued in his or her name by the Department of State Police under the provisions of this Act.

What does IL considers a stun gun? Would a device that uses a 9 volt battery count? I have one and have shocked myself with it. While it hurts , it wouldn't "stun" anyone. Come to think of it, it doesn't hurt all that much.

-Bill

 

[Zundfolge]

(for those non-Missourians, we have to go to the sherriff's office to apply for purchase of a handgun, and take the paperwork to the dealer.)

You have to apply for a permit from the sheriff everytime you buy a handgun? And you think FOID is a hassle???
No thanks. As little as a FOID card does, choosing between FOID and MO's process, I'll stick with FOID.

LOL

If you'll indulge the Godwin, I'm picturing a German Jew and a Russian Jew arguing over who's better, Hitler or Stalin.

 

[Huntzman]

You have to apply for a permit from the sheriff everytime you buy a handgun? And you think FOID is a hassle???
No thanks. As little as a FOID card does, choosing between FOID and MO's process, I'll stick with FOID.

I agree with ISP on this one. Coming from NYC, you have no idea what a pleasure the FOID card is. I'm not saying it's perfect, but compared to what you have to go through in NYC, you'd being doing cartwheels !!

 

[Autolycus]

You have to apply for a permit from the sheriff everytime you buy a handgun? And you think FOID is a hassle???
No thanks. As little as a FOID card does, choosing between FOID and MO's process, I'll stick with FOID.

I agree. However at least in MO they can CCW. I would rather deal with the hassle and the ability to CCW than less hassle and no CCW.

 

[Hk91 Fan]

They got together today and passed this law for you, Charlie! By the way, I love New Lenox. My good friend lives there. Great place place to be!



Last Action
Date Chamber Action
2/22/2006 Senate Placed on Calendar Order of First Reading February 23, 2006

Statutes Amended In Order of Appearance
430 ILCS 65/10 from Ch. 38, par. 83-10


Synopsis As Introduced
Amends the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act. Provides that when the Department of State Police fails to act upon an application for a Firearm Owner's Identification Card within 30 days after receipt, or if the application was wrongfully denied, the applicant may seek relief from the circuit court in writing in the county of his or her residence. Provides that the applicant is entitled to recover any costs, attorney's fees, damages, and not less than $100 per day nor more than $500 per day for every day past the 30th day in which the Department failed to act. Effective immediately.

 

[NukemJim]

However at least in MO they can CCW. I would rather deal with the hassle and the ability to CCW than less hassle and no CCW.

+1
NukemJim

 

[Matthew748]

Here is a story for you. On 2-11-06 I sent away for my Pennsylvania non-resident CCW permit. Since I was in visiting my folks in Illinois, I asked my dad when his FOID card expired. He said he had a month or two on it. Being the good son that I am, I got the renewal form from the IL state police site and had him fill it out. It was sent the same day my PA CCW application went out. I got my PA permit yesterday. My dad is still waiting on his FOID card. Its funny that Pennsylvania moves so fast for folks that are not even residents while Illinois stalls and dawdles when it comes to issuing FOID cards to residents of the state.

 

[charliemopic]

re:

Hk91 Fan...I'm not sure what what all those words mean but I thank you for bringing it to our attention.
It sounds like if I cannot get a FOID due to the state's slow processing and I loose money, pay, income or whatever as a result of the slow processing I may be able to recoupe some of that.
-or-
if i am arrested or otherwise suffer some sort of a lose bcuz of the slow processing i may be able to get some legal fees back but these are just guesses.
Anyone care expond on Hk91 Fan post?

 

[mp510]

Hk91 Fan...I'm not sure what what all those words mean but I thank you for bringing it to our attention.
It sounds like if I cannot get a FOID due to the state's slow processing and I loose money, pay, income or whatever as a result of the slow processing I may be able to recoupe some of that.
-or-
if i am arrested or otherwise suffer some sort of a lose bcuz of the slow processing i may be able to get some legal fees back but these are just guesses.
Anyone care expond on Hk91 Fan post?

Neither right now
That was just read for the first time today. It would help you if they wrongfully denied your ap. or delayed it beyond the prescribed time period. You would stll be breaking the law, and that would not protect you.

 

[LawDog]

You have to apply for a permit from the sheriff everytime you buy a handgun? And you think FOID is a hassle???
No thanks. As little as a FOID card does, choosing between FOID and MO's process, I'll stick with FOID.

I'll stay in Texas, thankyewverrymuch.

LawDog