Strings
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>Neither do these guys!<
They did a dandy job on the fridge though!
They did a dandy job on the fridge though!
No one hit as cops blaze away -- at each other
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Fire4Effect
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and let that be a lesson to all refridgerators...Keep the beer cold or else...
Fire4Effect
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I think they may have been filming the next sequel to Police Academy...
TexasRifleman
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Uhh, we have one teenage guy pissed that his girlfriend is at another guys house, so now it's a "suspected kidnapping"?
A little more background investigation might have been in order before declaring a 2 timing girlfriend a kidnap victim
Buzztail
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It's long distance from here so I call 1911. That way I know I'll be safe
El Tejon
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Yet another for the police files when we next hear Sarah Brady tell us about "highly trained police officers."
Eleven Mike
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TexasSIGman said:
You're probably right. I wasn't defending the cops, just trying to explain to someone who thought it was all about traffic tickets. Looks like there are two posters with poor reading comprehension.
One in the Ceiling?!
How in the world did they fire into the ceiling?! Hello?
My older brother is a paramedic in Muskegon. I wonder if he was called on this one? About 5 years back, he was nearly shot at a call. When the person pulled the pistol on him, he jammed his finger between the hammer and firing pin to save his life. He had a nasty pinch, but he's alive today.
After that, some commissioners tried to force paramedics and EMTs to dawn body armor. Then, they tried to force them to carry firearms. Right!!! Anyone else see a trend of arming basically untrained, unqualified people in Muskegon? The emergency personnel fought it and said heck no!
Send this article to the anti-gun legislators, along with the articles of the jokers who attend classrooms, boasting of their qualifications to, blah, blah, blah, as they simultaneously blow off their big toe in front of a classroom full of children.
No--we're all wrong. I'll bet "...the triggers were too light!" Or, "...the thing went full-auto on me!" I can't wait to hear the excuses on this one!
Doc2005
How in the world did they fire into the ceiling?! Hello?
My older brother is a paramedic in Muskegon. I wonder if he was called on this one? About 5 years back, he was nearly shot at a call. When the person pulled the pistol on him, he jammed his finger between the hammer and firing pin to save his life. He had a nasty pinch, but he's alive today.
After that, some commissioners tried to force paramedics and EMTs to dawn body armor. Then, they tried to force them to carry firearms. Right!!! Anyone else see a trend of arming basically untrained, unqualified people in Muskegon? The emergency personnel fought it and said heck no!
Send this article to the anti-gun legislators, along with the articles of the jokers who attend classrooms, boasting of their qualifications to, blah, blah, blah, as they simultaneously blow off their big toe in front of a classroom full of children.
No--we're all wrong. I'll bet "...the triggers were too light!" Or, "...the thing went full-auto on me!" I can't wait to hear the excuses on this one!
Doc2005
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BryanP
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They probably trained with the guy who shot & killed that poor schmuck who was wanted on gambling-related charges.
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I wonder if they'll make the 2 officers involved walk around for a week holding hands.? Kind of like what you do when 2 kids are fighting.
I believe it.....
When I attended Mich basic police academy, I found out that most cops are lousy shots.........more proof in this article.....The department I ran was small. I made my guys shoot once a month.......I bet they don't pay for repairs either.....chris3
When I attended Mich basic police academy, I found out that most cops are lousy shots.........more proof in this article.....The department I ran was small. I made my guys shoot once a month.......I bet they don't pay for repairs either.....chris3
Not him, he simply didn't feel like answering his door late at night. I wouldn't either, if I wasn't expecting anyone.
That kid that made that "kidnapping" claim should have been arrested, however. It's a slippery slope to allow people to use claims like that to "get back at someone" (my guess).
IF the information in this report is true, I would hope that the police authorities there would realize that they do NOT want these two on their force, and find some way to remove them.
I doubt that will happen, though. Seems that in most instances of stupidity by officialdom, other officials feel the need to cover.
I doubt that will happen, though. Seems that in most instances of stupidity by officialdom, other officials feel the need to cover.
Old Dog
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By no means would I even attempt to defend the apparent incompetence, evident lack of situational awareness displayed by the officers involved, heinous disregard for basic firearms safety and the blatant demonstration of probable substandard training within the agency, but ...
seems like there's lots of "experts" chiming in here who must know a lot about what it's like conducting a raid in response to a reported emergency situation. One ND in a careless, adrenalin-fueled moment, a bullet flies toward you, you're shootin' back, usually. Regrettable, but it happens.
Love how everyone here is so certain with their predictions of the outcome as far as agency response. Ah, a cynical lot hereabouts, to be sure.
seems like there's lots of "experts" chiming in here who must know a lot about what it's like conducting a raid in response to a reported emergency situation. One ND in a careless, adrenalin-fueled moment, a bullet flies toward you, you're shootin' back, usually. Regrettable, but it happens.
Love how everyone here is so certain with their predictions of the outcome as far as agency response. Ah, a cynical lot hereabouts, to be sure.
one-shot-one
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for me it is bad that they were shooting at each other, yeah i understand that they were under a stressfull situation but that is the profession they chose.
it is worse that neither could hit what they where shooting at with 15 rounds between them.
for me it is bad that they were shooting at each other, yeah i understand that they were under a stressfull situation but that is the profession they chose.
it is worse that neither could hit what they where shooting at with 15 rounds between them.
Really suprising that no one was killed.
Do have to wonder whatthe warrent was that the other guy was arrested on.
I don't care if it was a "high stress" situation or not. Police, like anyone else, are supposed to identify their target before fireing. I can virtually gaurantee that if it was two CPL (Concealed Pistol Liscense) holder, both of who were supposed to be there (say, lived there), that there would be charges filed agains both and both would lose thier licenses at least until it was determined who fired first. Then the one who fired first would , at least, lose thier CPL ... more likely be facing a prison term.
Why should it be different just because they had badges?
Do have to wonder whatthe warrent was that the other guy was arrested on.
I don't care if it was a "high stress" situation or not. Police, like anyone else, are supposed to identify their target before fireing. I can virtually gaurantee that if it was two CPL (Concealed Pistol Liscense) holder, both of who were supposed to be there (say, lived there), that there would be charges filed agains both and both would lose thier licenses at least until it was determined who fired first. Then the one who fired first would , at least, lose thier CPL ... more likely be facing a prison term.
Why should it be different just because they had badges?
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I actually do seem to recall reading of an incident several years ago, when the FBI was actively scouting out corrupt local officials (probably 'cause hunting corrupt federal officials would be tantamount to shootin' fish in a barrel). A paid FBI informant made some pretty explicit bribery overtures to a sheriff. The sheriff, wonder of wonders, was (like most of 'em in my own experience) an honest enforcer of the law.
The sheriff called in his investigators; they wired him with a mic, and off he went to meet "Mr. Bribe Guy." At a local diner, Mr. Bribe Guy made his pitch, and passed some cash to the sheriff. The sheriff's investigators promptly grabbed the informant, and the FBI agents (who were at nearby tables lisening in on the conversation via the mic THEY had given the informant) protested vigorously.
I just don't recall the final resolution . . .
On a much sadder note, an old co-worker of mine moved on to become chief of a smaller PD in a neighboring county. On a drug raid with the sheriff's narcotics squad, he realized a fellow officer was in trouble (yelling, growling and shooting as the narc dispatched the dealer's Pit Bull), and ran around the corner to assist. The narc, somewhat rattled and not expecting any "friendlies" in that area, shot & killed the chief.
"Friendly fire" (there's an oxymoron . . .) does happen; the question is, was the operation that led to the incident worth it?
The sheriff called in his investigators; they wired him with a mic, and off he went to meet "Mr. Bribe Guy." At a local diner, Mr. Bribe Guy made his pitch, and passed some cash to the sheriff. The sheriff's investigators promptly grabbed the informant, and the FBI agents (who were at nearby tables lisening in on the conversation via the mic THEY had given the informant) protested vigorously.
I just don't recall the final resolution . . .
On a much sadder note, an old co-worker of mine moved on to become chief of a smaller PD in a neighboring county. On a drug raid with the sheriff's narcotics squad, he realized a fellow officer was in trouble (yelling, growling and shooting as the narc dispatched the dealer's Pit Bull), and ran around the corner to assist. The narc, somewhat rattled and not expecting any "friendlies" in that area, shot & killed the chief.
"Friendly fire" (there's an oxymoron . . .) does happen; the question is, was the operation that led to the incident worth it?
TexasRifleman
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No, but I know 2 idiots that have NO business "conducting a raid in response to a reported emergency situation." (one that didn't even exist).
So there is no longer a requirement on LEO's to assess the situation and decide if things are as they appear? If these 2 guys thought she was really in danger they should have called for a better trained entry team wouldn't you think? It's clear their training was not in the area of rescuing kidnapped citizens.
Whether they can shoot straight or not isn't even part of the argument. They should never have been in that situation in the first place without SOLID evidence someone was in immediate and life threatening danger.
Come on, teenage guy tells the cops his girlfriend is being kidnapped 'cause she won't answer his phone calls or whatever? And these cops fell for that?
As for arresting that kid, he might really have believed something was wrong. It's not his fault that these 2 badged goofups didn't properly assess the situation before kicking in doors.
Sorry, there is no defense for these 2 and as an LEO you should be offended that they carry a badge.
That said, wouldn't you have paid good money to be in the debriefing and listen to this story? It had to be hilarious.
One of those guys fired the first shot. I would really like to know what he was thinking when he pulled the trigger on a target that he clearly could not identify. They believed that there was at least one innocent person in that house and at least one officer didnt feel it necessary to get a clear view before firing his weapon. It sounds like at least one of the officers here was quite comfortable with the idea that noone was going to make it out of that house alive.
Like Father; Like Son! Or Ignorance Really Is Hereditary!
As I said, my brother is a paramedic in Muskegon. So, my father called and talked with him about it--after he stopped laughing. According to my brother, the whole story isn't even out in the public. It goes much deeper.
Over the past several months, there has existed a "father/son" cop team at the Muskegon PD. Well, until a few weeks back.
One evening, during a storm, a 92 year-old man walked across the yard to check on his neighbor. As he stood on the porch, the "young-son" cop sees the man, yells improper words at him and orders him off the porch. When the 92-year-old man fails to sprint like a youthful teenager, the young-son cop pulls the 92-year-old man off the porch, out into the yard and beats him. FOUL!!! & FIRED!!!
Well, now "Papa-coppa" is nearing retirement. But, the department pleads with him to remain. He agrees that he will stay for 6 more months. Until--the present ordeal. So, now it looks like both involved last night are going to be terminated. One of the officers is the father of the cop fired last month.
Wow! Like Father Like Son.
Ignorance IS hereditary!!!!!
Doc2005
As I said, my brother is a paramedic in Muskegon. So, my father called and talked with him about it--after he stopped laughing. According to my brother, the whole story isn't even out in the public. It goes much deeper.
Over the past several months, there has existed a "father/son" cop team at the Muskegon PD. Well, until a few weeks back.
One evening, during a storm, a 92 year-old man walked across the yard to check on his neighbor. As he stood on the porch, the "young-son" cop sees the man, yells improper words at him and orders him off the porch. When the 92-year-old man fails to sprint like a youthful teenager, the young-son cop pulls the 92-year-old man off the porch, out into the yard and beats him. FOUL!!! & FIRED!!!
Well, now "Papa-coppa" is nearing retirement. But, the department pleads with him to remain. He agrees that he will stay for 6 more months. Until--the present ordeal. So, now it looks like both involved last night are going to be terminated. One of the officers is the father of the cop fired last month.
Wow! Like Father Like Son.
Ignorance IS hereditary!!!!!
Doc2005
Scott Daw
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if its not a shinanagan the DamN!!! they suck. Id fear being a victim in that city knowing the "trained" officers cant even hit themselves let alone shoot straight.
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