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Nominee Harriet Miers and her 45

Discussion in 'Legal' started by chestnut ridge, Oct 10, 2005.

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  1. chestnut ridge

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    According to AP; Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers once owned a
    45 caliber Smith & Wesson revolver. It was given to her by her brother
    because he was concerned about her living alone in Dallas.

    I was concerned that she might have liberal views. This information
    makes me have hope that she may be good for America.
     
  2. Old Fuff

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    Well don't let this get out ... The Democrats are going to have a cow as it is ... :neener: :D
     
  3. Kaylee

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    Somehow "she once owned a revolver that somebody gave her" doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. :scrutiny:

    I've cut ol' George a lot of slack over the last five years, but at this point, I was expecting to hear a heck of a lot better than "trust me." :mad:
     
  4. Amusetec

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    Ok so does she still own it and does she carry it?
    This says nothing about her 2nd
    Lots of anti gun libs have guns and CCW lic.
    So what does this say :confused: :what:
     
  5. longeyes

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    Has she ever shot it?

    Where is it now?
     
  6. Lone_Gunman

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    Dianne Feinstein and John Kerry are both gun owners as well. Are they pro-gun now?

    Dianne Feinstein even had a California carry permit.
     
  7. longeyes

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    The thing is we know "the right people" get to pack and are staunch believers in their own safety. The question is always what rights they believe We the People have.
     
  8. El Rojo

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    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,171832,00.html

    Records Show Miers Owned Gun

    Monday, October 10, 2005



    AUSTIN, Texas — Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers, who once owned a .45-caliber revolver (search), is not licensed to carry a concealed handgun in Texas. State officials refused Monday to reveal whether she has ever been licensed.

    Miers' brother gave her the Smith & Wesson (search) handgun when he was worried about her living alone in Dallas. Judge Nathan Hecht of the Texas Supreme Court, a longtime friend of Miers', has said she kept the gun for a long time.

    State law requires the release of information about license holders but not former license holders, said Pamela Smith, assistant general counsel for the agency.

    A person in Texas can own a gun without a concealed handgun license. Texas is one of 43 states that allow concealed weapons, and more than 230,000 residents are registered under the law.

    The Texas state archives on Monday released thousands of pages of documents related to Miers' days as chairwoman of the Texas Lottery Commission (search), from 1995 to 2000, and her correspondence with then-Gov. George W. Bush.

    A transcript of her confirmation hearing before the state Senate in 1995 indicated that senators asked Miers only a few questions and that her nomination by Bush was generally unopposed.

    On the issue of licensing charitable bingo groups, Miers was asked if the Ku Klux Klan (search) could qualify to run a bingo operation. "Well, I would certainly hope not," she replied.

    The records indicated that the Anti-Defamation League presented her its jurisprudence award in 1996 for her devotion to the "principles enshrined in the Constitution."

    Miers and Bush exchanged several birthday notes and general well-wishes during her lottery tenure. Bush told Miers in a birthday note in 2000, "Have a great life!"

    In 1997, Miers sent to Bush a late birthday card featuring a sad-looking dog and the note: "Dear Governor GWB, You are the best Governor ever — deserving of great respect!" She added, "At least for thirty days — you are not younger than me."

    Bush wrote back to wish Miers a happy 52nd birthday, telling her that he appreciated her friendship and that she should "never hold back your sage advice." He ended the note with a postscript: "No more public scatology."

    Later that year, in October, Miers wrote a note to Bush saying that she hopes the Bush twins, Jenna and Barbara, recognize that their parents are "cool."
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    What I want to know is what "docs" show she owns a gun? I thought there was no registration in this country so how exactly does everyone now know she had a .45 revolver? Was it her judge friend who ratted her out? Someone needs to find out what documents showed she had a gun.
     
  9. TonkinTwentyMil

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    Like I said before...

    ... in another thread, right after she was nominated:

    The REAL litmus test (of her views re the 2A) is whether she ever had a Concealed Carry license in Texas.

    In fact, since she (a) lived in a pro-gun state like Texas (not exactly New Jersey) and (b) owned a handgun, and (c) apparently never had -- or won't admit to having had -- a CHL, then THAT is even worse.

    Why? Because it may well mean she was "scared" of the gun, and/or saw no "need" to fully prepare herself for self-defense and the associated nasty realities of, umm, "taking the law into your own hands." (*cough*)

    2A = "Sportsmens' Rights," anyone?

    Lovely.

    The Judiciary Committee hearing could get real interesting... if any senator there actually has a pair.
     
  10. Lone_Gunman

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    I don't think that is any kind of litmus test at all. Dianne Feinstein had a California carry permit at one time.

    I know many many people in Georgia who are pro-gun and members of the NRA who do not have a pistol permit because of the hassel involved in getting one.
     
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    Guns for elitists V. commoners

    It's simple. The elite have guns and permits (or their body guards do). But, as pointed out so effectively in this thread, that in no way, shape or form assures protecting OUR rights. I quite simply am NOT impressed by Mier. I prefer someone with an adjudicating record.
     
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    Search this forum and TFL, and you'll find another article which said that someone took her out on a dirt road, and they shot some cans. She was a terrible shot, not surprisingly, given that a .45 hand cannon is not a great choice for a beginner.

    The article said it was unknown whether she ever fired the gun again. Don't know where it is now.
     
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    What's surprising to me is that 'she owned a gun once' is even worthy of news.

    Why aren't the news agencies reporting what kind of car she owned?
     
  14. greyhound

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    Is is just me or do these articles usually sound like there is some sort of "secret mystery" about gun ownership in general and CCW in particular?

    I wonder how many people actually know that "43 states allow concealed weapons"?
     
  15. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Well, I would agree that owning a gun is no source of confidence as to their stance on RKBA; but Harriet Miers did write an article for a law review supporting the right to keep and bear arms and specifically acknowledging the self-defense utility of firearms (not just the duck-hunting utility).

    This, of course, has already been reported on THR and can be found by a quick search.

    Of course a law review article doesn't equate to unflinching support of the Second Amendment; but personally I find it a good omen that somebody who is known for primarily having no opinion at all on many controversial judicial issues of the day has taken the time to speak out in support of RKBA.
     
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    Saw a quote by her mentioning "the right to bear arms." A search should find the whole thing...
     
  17. Stevie-Ray

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    Sure. She just thinks nobody else should have one. I can honestly say I've never detested a woman as much as she.
     
  18. GunGoBoom

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    We can only hope...if the Dems make a huge objection to her (fingers crossed), then the Repubs won't go to bat for her - they will abandon since they're so lukewarm about her - with any luck, she'll be shot down. We need to promote her as an ultra-'conservative' so the Dems will get riled up and filibuster. In fact, I just edited my sig to reflect my thoughts.
     
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    At least it's a .45

    Well, either way you slice it, you have to respect the fact it's a .45 instead of some foo-foo caliber. Good for her !!
     
  20. publius

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    That's nice. Self defense is good. Duck hunting is good. But...

    NEITHER ONE OF THEM IS WHAT THE 2ND IS ABOUT!

    The 2nd isn't about shooting thugs or ducks. IT IS ABOUT SHOOTING SOLDIERS! Invading foreign soldiers, or soldiers from our own federal government, should that become necessary.

    Don't believe me? You have not read Federalist 29.

    Hamilton wanted to march us all out onto the town square twice a year to check and make sure we had some kind of weapon available, capable of killing SOLDIERS. Not ducks OR thugs. Armed and trained agents of an oppressive government.
     
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