NON semi/auto bullpups (bolt/pump...)?

[carpediem]

Hi all!

Tell me about (1) "bullpup" manually-operated rifles or (2) bullpup conversions for the same. Manual = bolt/lever/pump/etc.

Three things:

1. I posted this in the rifle section for a reason. There are some bullpup shotguns, but I'm interested in rifles

2. No automatic or self-loading rifles.

3. Yes some actions + bullpup = incompatible or impractical. Someone posted a pic of a fugly bullpup Mosin (I think) that looked ridiculous. Principle of plenitude - there's gotta be some oddities out there.

Thanks

 

[mp510]

IIRC, the British did some straight pull SA-80's iwith .22LR conversions for use as training rifles. Not available commercially, and I'm pretty sure their illegal in the US, but they exist.

 

[Ash]

You might be able to convert one of the pump action AK's to bull pup with the AK kits.

Ash

 

[JesseL]

A lot of the bolt action 50 BMG rifles out there are bullpups.

 

[Bigfoot]

I found this site a while back, lot's of Bullpup photos. Can't understand a word of it though. There's a Remington 7600 pump there.

http://www.bullpup.de/

 

[agd1953]

I think that bullpump may be considered short barrel rifles. You need an overlenth of 24" or more and a barrel lentgh of 16 " or more. You may need a federal permit to own one.

 

[carpediem]

Thanks for the link, Bigfoot.

Those bolt action bullpups look REAL awkward to use...anyone here handled one?

I'll see the federal SBR restrictions and raise you CA's >26" OAL

 

[mp510]

I think that bullpump may be considered short barrel rifles. You need an overlenth of 24" or more and a barrel lentgh of 16 " or more. You may need a federal permit to own one.
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If it isn't registered as an SBR the barrel must be 16"+ and the OAL must 26"+. Generally speaking some extra length is put on each as an insurance policy against ATF measuring mistake, like those which lead to the ATF action at Ruby Ridge.

 

[PercyShelley]

The South African neostead shotgun is a pump bullpup design. It's also boltless IIRC, as it has a reciprocating barrel.

There was also a company making bullpup muzzle loaders a while back. Don't know if they still exist.


Finally, I contend that there is no such thing as a bullpup lever-rifle!

 

[carpediem]

But should there be? IMHO the only practical bullpups are self-loading or slide action...

 

[PercyShelley]

Oh no, I agree. A lever action bullpup would be remarkably impractical.

Add the AMP DSR-1 to the list, that's a bolt action bullpup.

Could a recoilless rifle be considered a bullpup?

 

[carpediem]

I'm tempted to say no for the following reasons:

(1) handheld ones - from what I've seen in diagrams - are usu simple "e.g. bazooka" w/out any real "action"
(2) Artillery pieces are generally breech-loading and usu. IMHO not analogous to a bullpup
(3) Artillery generally doesn't have stock and/or trigger

 

[Bigfoot]

A bolt-action bullpup would be the easiest to build. MPI sells stocks. http://www.mpistocks.com/stocks.htm If a Remington or Savage action is used the triggers are already worked out. Use a XP-100 trigger for the M-700, Timney makes one, or a Striker trigger for the Savage. All it would need is a trigger bar longer than the one on the pistols.

Would it be worth the trouble though? It would be slower to work than a standard bolt action so it's hurts you in the woods. And a long range gun doesn't have to be short like a bullpup. I see one as a compromise woods/long range gun, say a 26" barrel 300WM that's still short enough to not snag branches while hunting the woods and doesn't give anything away for the long shots.

It's an interesting rifle to think about but it's not on my must have list.

 

[Vairochana]

Queensland Gun Exchange in Brisbane has a Steyr .308 bullpup.
It is manually cocked with a sort of lever (think the lever operated ARs in the UK) combined with a pump action-looks pretty awkward to me tho.
I don't have a pic sorry.

 

[Limeyfellow]

IIRC, the British did some straight pull SA-80's iwith .22LR conversions for use as training rifles. Not available commercially, and I'm pretty sure their illegal in the US, but they exist.

These were made for the army cadets.

 

[sterling180]

Queensland Gun Exchange in Brisbane has a Steyr .308 bullpup.

Could you get any pictures of this rifle,because we shooters in the UK,would welcome the steyrs with loving arms. In the gun mags over there,you might get a decent picture of it.

Are they a copy of the Steyr bullpup,or are they manufactured,by Steyr,themselves?