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Norinco model 97 trenchgun:Is this a good shotgun?

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by megatronrules, Feb 2, 2003.

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  1. megatronrules

    megatronrules Member

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    HOw are these guns? I handeled one yesterday and it seemed well made w/good fit and finish. If it isn't where who makes a good trench shotgun? I really love the look and handling of these type of guns. My brother has a remington 870 but it just dosen't feel right to me the norinco feels great though.
     
  2. bamf

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    I don't know anything particular about Norinco copy but I've handled the Winchester 1897 and it's a nice gun, the some of the cowboy action shooters use them in their competitions. What are you going use it for?

    In my opion, I'd stay away from Norinco, not necessarily because of bad quality, but because you're supporting Chinese communists and slave labor that made the gun. I'd personally rather not...

    So see if you can find a Winchester 1897, they can be found for reasonable prices.
     
  3. Dave McCracken

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    Besides the political aspects of supporting the last large dictatorship left on Earth....

    The Norinco stuff has varied wildly in quality of metal, and warranty work seems to be nonexistent.

    The shifting trade and political agreements(China condemned any action by the US against the Taliban, North Korea,etc) mean that supply of spare parts and even new stuff is chancy.

    With great US made pump guns available for less than one week's wages, it's not the best idea to go elsewhere.
     
  4. Soap

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    If you must buy a '97 trench gun you're either going to spend a bunch of cash or buy the Chinese one. In my experience, the Norinco stuff looks bad, feels bad, smells bad, and is poorly put together. BUT all the ones that I've shot have functioned just fine. I've never had any experience with their shotguns however, just AKs, SKSs, 1911s, etc. And just remember what Bastiat says about global trade: When goods don't cross borders, armies will.
     
  5. redneck

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    I can't help you out on the quality of the norinco, but I don't think your going to find a real 97 for reasonable prices. My dad has a 97 (not of the trench variety, 30" or so and full choke) that we both really like. So we both kind of keep an eye out for that sort of stuff. We don't go to a lot of gunshows, or stores, but I have never found one for sale other than on the internet, and he only found one in a pawn shop for $1100. He though it was a hack'd up butcher job but theres a small possibilty it was a trench gun since hes not real into milsurp stuff, or guns of that style. The barrel was "half as long as its sposed to be" an the stock was beat to hell. As much as I like the old boomstick, I can't see spending $1000 on one, to many other guns I could learn to love, or cross off the wishlist for that, could get most of them in multiples for that :D

    Supporting china sucks, one gun isn't going to keep the regime going though. Just don't make a habit of it or we'll kick your commie butt onto the first boat over :neener:
    It doesn't sound like the quality is there, I'd try to find a different one (from the US) but if thats really what you want, then go for it.

    You can also check out mossberg and (new) winchester pump guns if you don't like the 870. There's lots of choices.
     
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    I understand what you guys are saying about supporting the commies. Thats why I asked who else made the trecnh gun besides norinco. Does anyone make a trench gun repro at a decent price?
     
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    I see them (97's, not necessarily trench models) all the time for well under 1000.00 online.
    Here is a 97 now...
    http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=7294055
    ..but I agree that if the 870 does not float your boat, then you might try one of the other big names. If Winchester is your thing, try the 1300. It gets very good reviews here.
    Me, I like the classic wood-stocked 870 with 20" barrel, rifle sights and a factory +3 extension. Perfect, for me.
    But I am guessing that you have to have a bayonet lug, right?
    I would never buy a Norinco.
    Mike
     
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    9mm mike I take it when you say you wouldn't buy a norinco its because of its commie roots not the quality of the gun? I know what you mean but I love the trench gun look design and don't have $1,000+ for a winchester. Plus The remingtons and mossbergs don't feel or point right for me. The norinco trench I held seemed built well it had a good deep blue finish and the fit/finish was great to.

    Thait ak's or mac 90's and sks rifles are great buys for the money so are thair 1911 pistols.
     
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    I feel your pain............
    I too like the looks of those guns and you're right it is an emotional decision for me. I figure that one day, I'll find one of those cool bayonet clamps for an 870 and make my own trench gun.
    Good luck,
    Mike
     
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    The 97s I see in ATL are pretty well clapped out for anywhere near a reasonable price (under $400).
    If you get a true trench gun, it will run pretty high ($900 and I couldn't recognize if it were a fake anyway. Could you?

    If I were to want a shooter and it had to be a 97 type, I'd look for a nice Norinco. YMMV
     
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    I handled a Norinco last weekend they seem well made and will do the old 97 trick:)
     
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    The trick being it will SLAM Fire like the original Winchester.;)
     
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    If they're built anything like the Norinco 1911's...

    I have 4 of those.

    Looks like my tax return might have found a place to be spent!

    And I'm under no illusions of supporting a Communist regime, especially when the components inside this very computer, and the majority of other consumer models, come from that place. Never mind what one finds to buy at WalMart these days...:scrutiny:
     
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    Gewehr98: I can see where you are coming from. 99% of our stuff today comes from some totalitarian regime. It's kinda hard to beat on the gun market when our gasoline comes from fun places like Iraq. :what: Should we stop driving, too?
     
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    BigG...

    ;)

    (Knew why I had you on my buddy list over at TFL!)
     
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    I don't have a choice in computers...when an American made computer hits the market once again, I'll buy it. Meanwhile, my firearm dollars will go to American manufacturers or those in friendly, Western civ nations...
     
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    romulus- You have the choice to buy American computers: start a computer manufacturing firm in the U.S. yourself. Viva la capitalism!
     
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    I done tried that.....
    dang thing had all the necessities too, monitor with chinese stuffins busted out and a complete set of posterboard inserts with my expert renditions of the windows icons. 2X4 for beatin it like a rented mule everytime that daggone blue screen of death comes up....No takers, folks just don't want to buy american no more.




    I don't always get the choice to buy american, so when it comes up I try to. My wrangler jeans is american, my justin boots is american, my pickem up truck is american, and I got all kinds of other stuff too :D
    I won't call ya Red for buyin the norinco....well, I guess I probably will actually ;) but only for fun. If that gun is the gun that meets your criteria its the one to buy.
     
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    Most communist made weapons are pretty decent quality shooters, if a little rough around the edges. They can't make a pair of shoes that last more than a couple weeks (at least the ones they make for themselves), but when it comes to weapons, they have pretty good quality. If the shotgun is what's calling to you, buy it and don't look back. Otherwise, you'll buy something you don't like AND THEN buy that Norinco trench later anyway when you just can't cotton to the first gun you bought. Lots of stuff that says "Made In USA" has Chinese-made internal parts, by the way. I know this because the manufacturer I work for does that. Says "Made In USA" on the box and most of the parts are made in China BUT the product is assembled in the U.S. so it can say "Made" in USA.

    So buy you that Norinco. Lots of people are shooting them and liking them but not admitting it.
     
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    Those 1911 Norincos are worth looking at also.:)
     
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    "All Chevrolet Equinox compact SUVs debuting in the '04 model year will be powered by a V-6 built at General Motors' Shanghai, China, plant." -Feb, 2003 Motor Trend


    So you cannot get away from it. Even your Chevy pick em up truck will have a Chicom motor.


    I like my Norincos:D
     
  22. HS/LD

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    Damn It!

    Now I can't buy Chevys anymore!


    HS/LD
     
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    Who cares about a chicom motor in a mexican built pickup?

    Buy a ford, you'll get a real truck that actually runs. :neener: Made in Kentucky none the less. The engine? 7.3L Powerstroke diesel, originally by International Harvester. Or get the new 6.0 L powerstroke, fords own littlepowerhouse.

    Any takers on my computer?


    Like I said, if the norinco is the gun you really like then buy one. And then feed it lots and lots and lots of American ammo :D
     
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    I'd rather just drive a German ride but that's just me :D

    The mere fact that the "Communists" are engaging in so much capitalist activities makes me want to buy more of their stuff. Line their pockets the capitalist way and I'm sure that they will cease to be "communists".
     
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    German engineering you got to love it.:)
     
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