Uncle Ethan
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But if I buy Norinco aren't I supporting the Democratic Party??
Norinco model 97 trenchgun:Is this a good shotgun?
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Sir Galahad
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No, communists are of better moral character than Democrats.
Uncle Ethan
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I must agree that the Communists are certainly more forthright about their intentions rhan are the Dems.Sir Galahad
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They know what the definition of "is" is, too.
I looked at 2 of these at a recent gunshow, 1 was set up for cowboy, the other set up like a trenchgun... neat looking, HEAVY for a shotgun, but interesting. They were priced around $350-375
Thing is I could have bought a NEW Remington 11-87 in tac-black with a factory mag extension for under $300 off the SAME TABLE.
Good looks cost money, maybe we'll luck out and Uberti, Pedersoli or Pietta will start making Winchester 97's.
Thing is I could have bought a NEW Remington 11-87 in tac-black with a factory mag extension for under $300 off the SAME TABLE.
Good looks cost money, maybe we'll luck out and Uberti, Pedersoli or Pietta will start making Winchester 97's.
Uncle Ethan
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I had no idea my old '97 is worth so much. I better leave the bbl full length, if everybody cuts them down, it'l really be valuable.
Uncle Ethan
Which production run is yours (1st run, didn't break down stopped around 1915, second run started in 1915 went to 1950's:mag and barrel could be taken off action)
If you have one of the first run, your definitely looking at a rare peice of history. Second runs also have a high value, but are a little more common.
The 97 was actually winchesters first gun designed for smokeless powder. There was a very short run of the previous model (1893?) that was recalled and replaced with the 97 when smokeless was introduced. There is still a very small number of them around, they're supposed to be worth a fortune.
Which production run is yours (1st run, didn't break down stopped around 1915, second run started in 1915 went to 1950's:mag and barrel could be taken off action)
If you have one of the first run, your definitely looking at a rare peice of history. Second runs also have a high value, but are a little more common.
The 97 was actually winchesters first gun designed for smokeless powder. There was a very short run of the previous model (1893?) that was recalled and replaced with the 97 when smokeless was introduced. There is still a very small number of them around, they're supposed to be worth a fortune.
Uncle Ethan
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Well Redneck- I traded off my solid frame a few years ago- I didn't realize it was a different run. I have a takedown 12 guage now. It is about a 30" bbl, I think. My first shotgun was a 16bore 97, so I do like them. I had a black diamond at one time, but it was wore pretty good. Thks for the info.
Hand_Rifle_Guy
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97's don't cost THAT much. I got mine, a 1907-vintage takedown 12 ga. with very little bluing and a battered stock with a Remington buttplate of all things, for the huge price of $250. I've had it completely apart, and the inside looks good except for the broken left-side extractor. Regardless, it runs fine, and I'm going to order another extractor from Numrich.
I've seen a coouple of 16's for $3-400, and the only 12's I ever saw that cost more than that were trench guns. I think I've seen about 6 or 7, total.
Mind you, mine has a really long barrel (30", I think.) with a tight choke. This was somebody's goose gun. It's hard to bust skeet with it, but I have very little experience. More practice is in order.
I've seen a coouple of 16's for $3-400, and the only 12's I ever saw that cost more than that were trench guns. I think I've seen about 6 or 7, total.
Mind you, mine has a really long barrel (30", I think.) with a tight choke. This was somebody's goose gun. It's hard to bust skeet with it, but I have very little experience. More practice is in order.
Norinco Model 97 Trench Shotgun
Well lets get started here . First off I couldn't help but laugh when someone posted don't buy it due to the fact its made in a communist country . These days just about anything you buy is made in China so I doubt buying a Chinese shotgun is going to make them an equal super power anytime soon .
Now for quality . The Norinco Model 97 is a very well made shotgun . The quality runs neck in neck with a Winchester . I love the one I own . It patterns really great with all the buckshot I have ever ran through it . A lot of people are misinformed about the quality of Chinese weapons . I own the Norinco 97 plus two Norinco 45ACP 1911-A1's . The Norinco 1911 is such good quality steel that its one of only 4 brands named that can safely be converted to a .460 Rowland . I also own a Chinese Polytech AKM-47 . It by far is the Cadillac of AK-47's . They are so well made that the US Navy SEALS chose them over all other AK's made . Anyway I say if its Chinese buy it . You wont be sorry . .....................Sumawolf
Well lets get started here . First off I couldn't help but laugh when someone posted don't buy it due to the fact its made in a communist country . These days just about anything you buy is made in China so I doubt buying a Chinese shotgun is going to make them an equal super power anytime soon .
Now for quality . The Norinco Model 97 is a very well made shotgun . The quality runs neck in neck with a Winchester . I love the one I own . It patterns really great with all the buckshot I have ever ran through it . A lot of people are misinformed about the quality of Chinese weapons . I own the Norinco 97 plus two Norinco 45ACP 1911-A1's . The Norinco 1911 is such good quality steel that its one of only 4 brands named that can safely be converted to a .460 Rowland . I also own a Chinese Polytech AKM-47 . It by far is the Cadillac of AK-47's . They are so well made that the US Navy SEALS chose them over all other AK's made . Anyway I say if its Chinese buy it . You wont be sorry . .....................Sumawolf
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I found a Original 97 a year or so for $350. It was refinished but in otherwise great shape. It had KCPD on the side. I went home to think about it and that was a mistake. It was gone. You can find original ones out there. But if you want to buy a Norinco then go buy one.
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I would rather buy a commie clone M97 for lots of shooting than butcher up on original. I am currently keeping a 1906 M97 safe from the butchers and am hoping to get another one or two. The thought of someone hacking up an original M97 for any reason turns my stomach.
This is my opinion, your opinion may vary.
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I would rather buy a commie clone M97 for lots of shooting than butcher up on original. I am currently keeping a 1906 M97 safe from the butchers and am hoping to get another one or two. The thought of someone hacking up an original M97 for any reason turns my stomach.
This is my opinion, your opinion may vary.
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Buy an original for $250 or so. Get a riot barrel from Numrich arms for $100 or so. Get a gunsmith who knows 97's to give it a tune up. $400 or so later and you have a tuned up long barrel hunting shot gun and with a spare riot tube and it's the real deal.
Why buy a repro? Even here in the PRK they almost fall on you in gun stores.
Myn 1935 take down was cut as the barrel was bulged. If the tube was in good shape, I would have bought a simple replacement. Most I see are in solid condition and just need a little help.
I have a total of $400 into this one.
What little I know of the Chinese/Norinco 1897's is that it is better to get the later/newer production as there were issues with older one. Also, I have heard that the Norinco's use metric hardware. Not a problem, but you need to be aware of it before you bugger things up. IMHO, I just don't see the need to pick one up when usable originals are plentiful and the shotgun is FAR from being rare/collectable in it's regular/traditional form. There are enough still floating around to keep them in circulation. SASS shooting has revitalized interest, but hens teeth they are not. You're not going to send junior to college buying up, hording, and then reselling 30" 1897's.
Why buy a repro? Even here in the PRK they almost fall on you in gun stores.
Myn 1935 take down was cut as the barrel was bulged. If the tube was in good shape, I would have bought a simple replacement. Most I see are in solid condition and just need a little help.
I have a total of $400 into this one.
What little I know of the Chinese/Norinco 1897's is that it is better to get the later/newer production as there were issues with older one. Also, I have heard that the Norinco's use metric hardware. Not a problem, but you need to be aware of it before you bugger things up. IMHO, I just don't see the need to pick one up when usable originals are plentiful and the shotgun is FAR from being rare/collectable in it's regular/traditional form. There are enough still floating around to keep them in circulation. SASS shooting has revitalized interest, but hens teeth they are not. You're not going to send junior to college buying up, hording, and then reselling 30" 1897's.
SMLE
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I had two of the Norinco trench guns and one of their riot guns. All 3 worked flawlessly. The trench guns accepted an original WWI Winchester made bayonet without any fitting at all. They all patterned well too. I would not be afraid to carry one on duty, or keep one handy for HD. I also like the visible hammer and the ability to unload the magazine without cycling the action.
The way I see it, the fastest way to turn commies into capitalists is to give them a taste. The Chinese will find a way to make a buck one way or another, putting affordable, reliable guns in the hands of Americans is more important IMO.
My $0.02 YMMV.
The way I see it, the fastest way to turn commies into capitalists is to give them a taste. The Chinese will find a way to make a buck one way or another, putting affordable, reliable guns in the hands of Americans is more important IMO.
My $0.02 YMMV.
Wakal
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For $250, these are a pretty neat faux Trench Gun. Laid next to my 1901-production '97, the metal fit and finishing isn't quite as nice. However, it is very much acceptable. Functions perfectly, looks good, and doesn't break the bank.
Not much NOT to like.
Alex
Not much NOT to like.
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The "communist" Chinese have lower taxes and less government than we do in many respects. Yes, their government sucks, but it doesn't go around funding every OTHER dictatorship on the planet, like the US kleptocracy. Most of my friends are Chinese from the south, where everything is made... they hate Beijing more than you can imagine, and most of the stuff you buy from China goes to build up the private sector there more than it does the government.
But Norinco stuff isn't that great (I think it's pretty government-connected, too)... I had one of their Browning .22 copies and it wasn't the real deal. It worked, but you'll be happier if you get something better made and can keep it forever.
But Norinco stuff isn't that great (I think it's pretty government-connected, too)... I had one of their Browning .22 copies and it wasn't the real deal. It worked, but you'll be happier if you get something better made and can keep it forever.
I think it's a little too late to start worrying about buying a shotgun made in the PRC.
Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/18/AR2008111803558.html
Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/18/AR2008111803558.html
logjam
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My brother is one of those SASS guys. He has one of those Chinese 97's and he likes it. He's had it slicked up a bit, which wasn't cheap, but he says it's reliable and works great.
Grunt
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Both my wife and I have Norinco 1897s. Neither of them have had any problems.
Speedo66
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I'm a little puzzled as to why you shouldn't buy these shotguns because they're "commie" guns, yet all you guys rave over AK's, SKSs, Moisins, etc., etc., etc.
Why the big pointed finger at this one particular gun? Cause you already have all the others? Shotguns don't do it for you? Wolf ammo, no problem?
I smell a taint of hypocrisy here.
Why the big pointed finger at this one particular gun? Cause you already have all the others? Shotguns don't do it for you? Wolf ammo, no problem?
I smell a taint of hypocrisy here.
I thought about buying one of the Chinese 1897s or coach guns but couldn't do it. I own a Chinese AK but that's ok because AKs are commie guns. A 1897 or coach gun is an Old West gun and that's why people buy them. Most people are buying these guns purely for nostalgia and romance. If you want to feel that you're reliving the Old West, buying a Chinese gun doesn't cut it.
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666, not "Commie" guns.
Chinese guns made by the Red Army using convict labor.
Supporting the largest dictatorship left on Earth while talking about Liberty is both hypocritical and counter to our best interests.
There's a Russian shotgun here now. A Saiga. It's a loaner.
And an Italian one. No US company makes an U/O I like.
All other firearms here are US made. A fair number by any standard.
Good pumpguns made in the US are neither scarce nor expensive. Buy American.
A recent issue of Shotgun Sports shows a couple Model 97 Winchesters selling for about $400. Local dealers may have better prices.
Chinese guns made by the Red Army using convict labor.
Supporting the largest dictatorship left on Earth while talking about Liberty is both hypocritical and counter to our best interests.
There's a Russian shotgun here now. A Saiga. It's a loaner.
And an Italian one. No US company makes an U/O I like.
All other firearms here are US made. A fair number by any standard.
Good pumpguns made in the US are neither scarce nor expensive. Buy American.
A recent issue of Shotgun Sports shows a couple Model 97 Winchesters selling for about $400. Local dealers may have better prices.
Beagle-zebub
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I must be misreading what you wrote, but it seems like you are saying that this person was selling a new 11-87 for under $300--is that correct? Are you sure you don't mean 870?
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