HuntAndFish
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Without any kind of lock to penetrate, Yes.
Normal or Negligent? Gun in car.
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Without any kind of lock to penetrate, Yes.
JesseL
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Another vote for imprudent but not negligent.
You're not responsible for someone else's criminal impulses, but that doesn't mean you won't suffer for them.
You're not responsible for someone else's criminal impulses, but that doesn't mean you won't suffer for them.
leadcounsel
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Oh my God, are you kidding! Unbelievably negligent! The employee could be on day one of his release from prison after serving a 10 year sentence for brutal rape and armed robbery!!!!!
You can almost guarantee that these employees are underpaid and it's almost a certainty that they snoop through your unlocked compartments. Expect it!
Seriously, this is the type of stuff gets innocent people killed and RUINS pro 2A efforts for gun owners to be allowed to keep guns in our cars. YOU CANNOT just casually leave your gun laying around like this! Imagine the CNN headlines: "EX-CON finds gun in car at oil service station, murders four; more at 11pm."
The solution is to carry it on your person when you leave the car or lock it in a box or glove box and only give the employee a valet key (that won't open the locked glove box).
You can almost guarantee that these employees are underpaid and it's almost a certainty that they snoop through your unlocked compartments. Expect it!
Seriously, this is the type of stuff gets innocent people killed and RUINS pro 2A efforts for gun owners to be allowed to keep guns in our cars. YOU CANNOT just casually leave your gun laying around like this! Imagine the CNN headlines: "EX-CON finds gun in car at oil service station, murders four; more at 11pm."
The solution is to carry it on your person when you leave the car or lock it in a box or glove box and only give the employee a valet key (that won't open the locked glove box).
CaptMac
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Sit down with a pencil and paper and figure out what your net worth is. Once you have done that then imagine that amount of money in your car, say in a glove compartment, we will say its a supersize glove compartment. Would you leave the money in there and give a person the keys you only know as Bob because thats the name on his shirt? WOuld you leave it and walk away in hopes he would not take that key and unlock the glove box accessing your total net worth?
Well when you leave your gun in there and walk away thats what you have done, because very few people that I know would say you took reasonable care in control of your firearm if Bob took it (remember you gave him the key) and committed a crime. When the lawsuit is over that net worth you had in the glove box that is gone? Thats where it went to pay that suit.
Sit down with a pencil and paper and figure out what your net worth is. Once you have done that then imagine that amount of money in your car, say in a glove compartment, we will say its a supersize glove compartment. Would you leave the money in there and give a person the keys you only know as Bob because thats the name on his shirt? WOuld you leave it and walk away in hopes he would not take that key and unlock the glove box accessing your total net worth?
Well when you leave your gun in there and walk away thats what you have done, because very few people that I know would say you took reasonable care in control of your firearm if Bob took it (remember you gave him the key) and committed a crime. When the lawsuit is over that net worth you had in the glove box that is gone? Thats where it went to pay that suit.
Only if the car wash workers are children too young to appreciate the danger and you've left it in plain sight. That tort concept is rather specific and not applicable here.
If I leave a gun in a vehicle, it's locked into the glove box or other compartment, or I don't leave it in the vehicle.
jrfoxx
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Regardless of semantics on whether it's "negligent" or not, it's just not a good idea, and thats all that really matters.
06
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The potential for big trouble is there. There are signs in every gun store stating that it is a crime to leave guns where they can be used(stolen). So don't set yourself up for criminal charges, lawsuits, and posibly used against you and family. wc
renegade1alpha
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Yup, negligent. Your gun stays with you. The only time it should be in the car and you not around is in a LOCKED box and the box is SECURED (i.e. bolted, riveted, etc) inside the car or trunk. Only then would it be secure.
Dave P
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Some of you guys are really over the top!
"What if the felon takes your gun and goes on rampage at the school? Kiss your life savings goodbye!"
I don't think so. What if he drives off in your car and runs over the Nuns down the road?
Guns in truck is one reason I stay in my truck when they change the oil.
"What if the felon takes your gun and goes on rampage at the school? Kiss your life savings goodbye!"
I don't think so. What if he drives off in your car and runs over the Nuns down the road?
Guns in truck is one reason I stay in my truck when they change the oil.
bdickens
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Whoa, hey guys....
I work as a mechanic and let me tell you a few things:
1) My colleagues and I make enough money to buy our own stuff. With $25,000 to $100,000 worth of tools or more, why would we need to steal your stuff? I probably make more than some of you.
2) Many of my colleagues are "gun nuts" too, have their own, and will respect yours.
3) We find wallets, rolls of cash, guns, jewelry in cars all the time and make a big point of leaving your stuff alone. If I have to empty out your center console for some reason, I'll put everything in a plastic bag and ensure that you get it when you come pick up your car.
4) I do not know, nor am I aware of, anyone in my industry who is "on day one of his release from prison after serving a 10 year sentence for brutal rape and armed robbery." No shop owner I know would hire someone like that.
Having said that, I work at a reputable place. If you take your car to Paco working out of his back yard somewhere off of Navigation, you get what you deserve. Same if you take it to IffyLube. but that's another thread on another forum altogether.
I work as a mechanic and let me tell you a few things:
1) My colleagues and I make enough money to buy our own stuff. With $25,000 to $100,000 worth of tools or more, why would we need to steal your stuff? I probably make more than some of you.
2) Many of my colleagues are "gun nuts" too, have their own, and will respect yours.
3) We find wallets, rolls of cash, guns, jewelry in cars all the time and make a big point of leaving your stuff alone. If I have to empty out your center console for some reason, I'll put everything in a plastic bag and ensure that you get it when you come pick up your car.
4) I do not know, nor am I aware of, anyone in my industry who is "on day one of his release from prison after serving a 10 year sentence for brutal rape and armed robbery." No shop owner I know would hire someone like that.
Having said that, I work at a reputable place. If you take your car to Paco working out of his back yard somewhere off of Navigation, you get what you deserve. Same if you take it to IffyLube. but that's another thread on another forum altogether.
mikesays_hi
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Negligent maybe. Foolish yes. Why do you carry a gun? Is your auto mechanic shop your safe zone so you don't need protection there? If the shop is robbed or some deranged unsatisfied customer comes back, what good is your gun in the car in the maintenance bay?
All dealerships are not created equal. One I know of personnally in my area has six employees only one of which is honest. Of the other five, who regularly smoke pot at lunch, one has three DuI convictions,another has been in prison for grand theft, another for domestic violence, another is a known but as of yet uncovicted dealer,the forth did get fired for stealing a bag of pot out of a car he was working on when the customer complained to the owner.
Just what chance do you think your gun would have in this shop?
Just what chance do you think your gun would have in this shop?
mountaindrew
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Nobody has hit upon the real solution! Never let anyone you do not completely trust work on your car! Your car is your lifeline, and if the guy working on it is evil enough to steal a gun. you are trusting you life to him when you get on the road.
READ THIS CAREFULLY!
An unscrupulous mechanic can KILL you!
You wouldn't let some sixteen year old schmuck you don't trust be your gunsmith would you?
Well I would posit that a car is both more complicated and more dangerous than a gun (just compare gun deaths to car deaths, even corrected for percentage of ownership)
Find a mechanic you would trust with your life (because you are) and Let him do all of the work on your car.
Rant Off.
mountaindrew
READ THIS CAREFULLY!
An unscrupulous mechanic can KILL you!
You wouldn't let some sixteen year old schmuck you don't trust be your gunsmith would you?
Well I would posit that a car is both more complicated and more dangerous than a gun (just compare gun deaths to car deaths, even corrected for percentage of ownership)Find a mechanic you would trust with your life (because you are) and Let him do all of the work on your car.
Rant Off.
mountaindrew
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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Please don't misunderstand the scenario.
The gun is NOT in plain sight. That is, not until the employee opens the "lid" by pressing the release latch and lifting - something he has no business doing.
Regardless, the consensus seems to be *somewhat* negligent, and in hindsight, I think I agree. Don't think I'll do that again.
The gun is NOT in plain sight. That is, not until the employee opens the "lid" by pressing the release latch and lifting - something he has no business doing.
Regardless, the consensus seems to be *somewhat* negligent, and in hindsight, I think I agree. Don't think I'll do that again.
Never leave a gun in a car dropped off for repair etc, unless it is in a STURDY lockbox securely bolted/welded in.
I understand about the tools. I have a Snap-On box full of them. I have done body work, electric mtr repair, etc, and have worked with tools all my life. They are a big investment for a mechanic of any sort. Mine are worth more than my car, but then, I drive a cheap car.
Because, unfortunatly, some mechanics, like any group, are thieves. Most of you folks are honest and would not touch my stuff, but I don't know which ones are not. Most thieves, and all con men, are all sugar on the outside.
I understand about the tools. I have a Snap-On box full of them. I have done body work, electric mtr repair, etc, and have worked with tools all my life. They are a big investment for a mechanic of any sort. Mine are worth more than my car, but then, I drive a cheap car.
romma
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I take the change out of my ashtray when I get an oil change... I work hard for that change!
Negligent all the way - if somebody's out of control kid (or just a confused kid who's dad owns a similar vehicle) gets in your vehicle and finds the firearm, you are responsible all the way.
It would be easy to get a zippered soft case that can be locked with a little combo padlock. That way nobody gets into it by accident. It's not the best way to go but it's much better than having it totally unsecured.
It would be easy to get a zippered soft case that can be locked with a little combo padlock. That way nobody gets into it by accident. It's not the best way to go but it's much better than having it totally unsecured.
Never leave a gun in a car dropped off for repair etc, unless it is in a STURDY lockbox securely bolted/welded in.
If you're going to leave a gun in your car this is the correct answer. In some states leaving a firearm unattended and not locked up can be a criminal violation.
If you're going to leave a gun in your car this is the correct answer. In some states leaving a firearm unattended and not locked up can be a criminal violation.
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Excellent points - so I guess I need to add to the fact pattern: This WAS at a reputable nationwide shop - Big O Tires. Still, I guess I agree that it was mildly to moderately negligent, and I don't plan on doing it again. Thanks!
I don't trust shops to work on my truck, let alone not going threw my stuff. That has been going on for years. And now they have high school kids working as managers. If my trucks in the shop, I take anything of value and put it under lock and key. The shop Only gets a valet key. And I don't leave.
I too work on HD equipment. Like was said, this is there home away from home. Thay can't unpack. But most of there stuff is in the bunk, where theres almost nothing to work on. I let the driver know that I, and I alone, need into the truck. And if I need to get at something behind the glove bex or something, I get the driver right there with me. That way he can watch waht I touch, where I put it, and that I didn't brake it. A lot of the drivers have told me stories about other shops. And most of them lock the truck, even in the bay.
I too work on HD equipment. Like was said, this is there home away from home. Thay can't unpack. But most of there stuff is in the bunk, where theres almost nothing to work on. I let the driver know that I, and I alone, need into the truck. And if I need to get at something behind the glove bex or something, I get the driver right there with me. That way he can watch waht I touch, where I put it, and that I didn't brake it. A lot of the drivers have told me stories about other shops. And most of them lock the truck, even in the bay.
lance22
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I took my car into Maaco once, and they stole EVERYTHING that wasn't nailed down. Sunglasses, pens, pocket knife, a few tools ... they literally stole everything and when I complained the manger pointed to a sign:
"Not responsible for lost or stolen items"
I told him that putting up a sign doesn't legalize theft - but on the other hand I didn't feel like taking him to court. If I had a gun (even in a safe) I guarantee you they would have brought out the plasma saw and removed it. I figure I have a permit to carry a pistol, I don't have a permit to leave it in the car as you do that enough and eventually you'll be at some place like Maaco and you'll regret it, or worse, they commit a felony with it (maaco employs thieves so I presume after their shift they go out and burglarize homes).
"Not responsible for lost or stolen items"
I told him that putting up a sign doesn't legalize theft - but on the other hand I didn't feel like taking him to court. If I had a gun (even in a safe) I guarantee you they would have brought out the plasma saw and removed it. I figure I have a permit to carry a pistol, I don't have a permit to leave it in the car as you do that enough and eventually you'll be at some place like Maaco and you'll regret it, or worse, they commit a felony with it (maaco employs thieves so I presume after their shift they go out and burglarize homes).
Remember that picking up a gun doesn't really turn people in rampaging psychopaths with the taste for blood. Thats kind of a brady group view of guns.
I wouldn't call it negligent, but probably not the best idea in the world. No reason not to spend a few bucks and get a lock box.
Is it really common sense to think that the victim of a crime is going to in some way get in trouble for being the victim of a crime? I sure hope we haven't reached the point in society where we expect or accept that.
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