North Dakota CCW instructors in Ohio?

[ScottG1911]

I have come up with the idea of maybe getting a North Dakota CCW. I live in Ohio and Ohio does not have reciprocity with ND. But I travel to Kentucky sometimes and Kentucky does take ND permits. North Dakota gives non-resident permits, and the age limit is 18 years of age. So would anyone happen to know if there are any ND certified firearm instructors in Ohio?

 

[Andrewsky]

ND is may-issue really.

You need to state a valid reason to carry to the chief law enforcement officer of your county in ND.

So you'd probably have to have an ND address.

 

[ScottG1911]

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

North Dakota is Shall Issue

Also here are all the states age limits, residensy, ect

http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/CCWFAQApp.pdf

 

[wdlsguy]

Are you positive that KY will honor a CHL issued to someone under 21?

 

[Andrewsky]

No, it's not shall issue because the CLEO can refuse to sign off if you don't have a valid reason to carry.

 

[Winchester 73]

Are you positive that KY will honor a CHL issued to somone under 21?

Doesn't look like it:
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/CCWFAQApp.pdf

 

[ScottG1911]

http://www.handgunlaw.us/maps/north_dakota_map.gif

there is the reciprocity

And I have read on the BCI the procedures of getting a permit. Only problem is looks like there's no instructors in the state, oh well

 

[Winchester 73]

And I have read on the BCI the procedures of getting a permit. Only problem is looks like there's no instructors in the state, oh well
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You have True Grit,Scott.You never give up!Very admirable.
There is always the compact long gun.My Winchester 1894 Trapper .44 Magnum is only 16.5 inches long and weighs just over 5 lbs.
9+1 of potent .44 Mag makes for a comfortable feeling.
You are legal in Ohio with this or something similar until 21 are you not?
Think about that.Anyway you'll be 21 before you know it.

 

[ScottG1911]

Yeah I'm going to start carrying my AR with me. I most likely will not carry due to obvious harassment I'll receive. But maybe on the night time walks around town, or when walking trails at the local reservoir. Or I can just carry it every where until october of 2010 and make the cops mad lol

 

[ScottG1911]

You have True Grit,Scott.You never give up!Very admirable.
There is always the compact long gun.My Winchester 1894 Trapper .44 Magnum is only 16.5 inches long and weighs just over 5 lbs.
9+1 of potent .44 Mag makes for a comfortable feeling.
You are legal in Ohio with this or something similar until 21 are you not?
Think about that.Anyway you'll be 21 before you know it.

HAHA, You just figuring that out lol

 

[Winchester 73]

HAHA, You just figuring that out lol

Is that a compliment,Scott?

 

[phorvick]

North Dakota is "shall issue". You do need the local LEO to "sign off", but that is not used to deny people unless there is an articulable reason. I have given the ND test to many many folks, both from ND and from other States; I have never had a denial.

I believe that most (all??) "shall issue" States have the out that the local Sheriff can deny the application if they believe the applicant is a danger to themselves or others. That does not make them "may issue", unless that is the way you wish to define it. That would change many "shall issue" to "may issue."

As to the age requirement, you always follow the law of the jurisdiction you are carrying.

I have had numerous <21 year old applicants from Minnesota that get the ND Permit...primarily for when they hunt. In these cases it also is true that the MN local LEO's might not sign off. Assuming they just refuse to sign off, it has no adverse affect on getting the ND Permit. It actually is fairly common for non-ND LEO to refuse to sign. The applicant then simply states that they offered the local LEO a chance to sign off, but they refuse. Bismarck will still process and issue the Permit.

Clearly, getting the ND permit to cover ND (unless you are under 21) is not your best choice. Get Utah, or New Hampshire...they are honored in ND and a better bargain and less hassle.

 

[psyopspec]

I had always been under the impression that the sign-off was just to indicate that they'd checked their records and you came back clear based on the criteria laid out in the questions on the front of the application. When I got my first ND permit (resident in 2003), I was able to go the police station in Fargo, get my fingerprints done while they ran my background, and then walk into the chief's office to pick up the form after his secretary told him I was clean.

The County signature I got by mail, so I'm not sure about the circumstances regarding that one. None of my hunting/shooting buddies have ever been denied either, though I realize that's extremely anecdotal.

 

[phorvick]

I believe that the reason that the local authorities are asked to sign off, is to find out if the applicant is an "Otis". (reference to old Andy Griffith show).

Meaning that although no official record exists to deny the applicant, that it was common local knowledge that the applicant is a drunk, miscreant, etc etc.

 

[45ACPUSER]

Back when the law went into effect there was no problem with sign off's. The COP in Grand Forks was pissy about it cause at the time the shooting portion of the testing process was a joke and covered any handgun, where as LEO's had to qualify with each handgun....

It is funny how some people seem to become experts at such a young age.

I tend to think PHorvick's post is way more on the mark then someone who wants to do room clearing with a M1A.....

Heck if the when the law went into effect 85, the Sherriff of Grand Forks County had several DUI's racked up....while in office......

And, in the county I lived in the Sherriff sure signed off on some "Otis" types....including a gal that had pulled a knife on someone in a bar, but her daddy and the sherriff were tight!