KONY
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That can only mean a new firearm.
Means new firearm = new wheelgun.
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That can only mean a new firearm.
Means new firearm = new wheelgun.
Sinsaba
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I haven't orderded... your phrasing indicates that you think it would have to be shipped to local LEO contact (wish I had one). Because of past experience I looked carefully at the wording on the site. It states that it isn't unlawful to have it, the LEO rule is Winchester's. I didn't see anywhere that they would only sell to LEO. I might see about ordering some and find out. It isn't really high on my list at the moment to acquire some.
Bet I know what it is...
I won't though
Nope, no new tactical goodies though. I'll give you that much.
oops! No I don't
Hmm... you did say no NEW tactical goodies... you wouldn't have mounted your aimpoint on a revolver would you?
usp_fan
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Hey VA gang,
usp_fan here, I joined in one of your shoots in January when I was in town. I'll be back in town on business this week and thought I'd head out the the NRA range one night. Anything going on from your groups schedule?
I'll likely be bringing my usp40c, a sig trailside, and maybe my AR.
Thanks,
--usp_fan
usp_fan here, I joined in one of your shoots in January when I was in town. I'll be back in town on business this week and thought I'd head out the the NRA range one night. Anything going on from your groups schedule?
I'll likely be bringing my usp40c, a sig trailside, and maybe my AR.
Thanks,
--usp_fan
KONY
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Hey there! We have been shooting at the NRA each Friday ~6PM.
Smurfslayer
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understood. I've got some the .45 already, if the shipping isn't too bad, I'd probably consider more, so let us know if you're going to initiate a purchase.
D@MN. That's not a bad idea. Not what I had in mind, but it's not a bad idea nonetheless.
hmmm... you travel on business with all that?
I hope you have the ammo shipped to your hotel so you don't have to lug it through the airport 
Sinsaba
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I would LOVE to see someone going through the airport with all that. Even secured, I'll bet a lot of agents would SH** themselves.
mtnbkr
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If things work out, I'll be there Friday with my recently assembled Contender 30-30. We'll see whose's handguns make more noise, mine or Smurfy's...
I'm also going to see if my AR can digest 180rnds of Wolf without puking. If so, I'll be headed over to Dick's to buy more.
Chris
I'm also going to see if my AR can digest 180rnds of Wolf without puking. If so, I'll be headed over to Dick's to buy more.
Chris
KONY
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You sending the Wolf? $hieet, that's all you had to say!
Smurfslayer
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I'd bank that most of the FNG has more firearms / ammunition than most local police departments...
KONY
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I think that between you and the Gunny alone, you'd probably have most of them beat!
Well Regulated
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Ranger Ammo
I've seen them sell that stuff at gun shows, so that Law enforcement statement is bogus. Besides, in Virginia I have the common law power to make a citizens arrest which means I am law enforcement.
Man's got a right to protect his property and his life, and we ain't gonna let no ranger dealer and his lawman only ammo take either.
I've seen them sell that stuff at gun shows, so that Law enforcement statement is bogus. Besides, in Virginia I have the common law power to make a citizens arrest which means I am law enforcement.
Man's got a right to protect his property and his life, and we ain't gonna let no ranger dealer and his lawman only ammo take either.
KONY
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That law enforcement rule is only for distributors. Word is, Winchester has dropped a few for breaking it. However, the law does not prohibit citizens from buying it. No sir, the insane retail prices on these rounds takes care of that part!
usp_fan
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Thanks for the info and the invite. I'll be back on the road on Friday. I have traveled with much of that by air before, but that is a tale for another post...
I drove over from OH for a 3 day plant visit in Fredericksburg. My wife's Dad is in Fallschurch and we're staying there. It was a good match of business and family in nearly the same location. Work reimburses mileage, and maybe we'll make some money on the trip.
I'll probably try to get over to the range on Wed or Thurs night.
mtnbkr: re the wolf. I've done that with my bushmaster mixmaster rifle. If you've got a nato chamber, the new poly coated wolf is great stuff@!
It's even better when the young singles group at church is buying the ammo.
Take care,
--usp_fan
I drove over from OH for a 3 day plant visit in Fredericksburg. My wife's Dad is in Fallschurch and we're staying there. It was a good match of business and family in nearly the same location. Work reimburses mileage, and maybe we'll make some money on the trip.
I'll probably try to get over to the range on Wed or Thurs night.
mtnbkr: re the wolf. I've done that with my bushmaster mixmaster rifle. If you've got a nato chamber, the new poly coated wolf is great stuff@!
It's even better when the young singles group at church is buying the ammo.
Take care,
--usp_fan
mtnbkr
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Va Arms sells it to regular folks as well. I bought several boxes from them. It's a normally stocked item, sitting right out where us peons can grab a box and take it to the register.
On a "price per 50" basis, it's one of the cheaper personal defense rounds available. Try pricing Speer GoldDot per 50. IIRC, it's something like $12 per 20. That makes it $30/50. Kinda makes $22/50 look cheap.
Chris
KONY
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Yup, you are right. I always forget about the "per 50" price. However, the cheap bastard in me will always shine through!
Smurfslayer
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Cheap for target ammo = "OK"
Cheap for defensive ammo ~/= "OK"
that said, most manufacturers produce reliable stuff that is tough to duplicate, much less surpass.
I'd be curious myself to know what EXACTLY the "law enforcement" designation really means in the ammunition world. I find it a bit counterintuitive in the gun manufacturer world, as follows.
Many moons ago, I contacted several manufacturers for their comment on the potential reauthorization of the so called AWB. This was for an article I penned, but did not make it to publishing. In my research I discovered that even Berretta, Sig, HK, make an overwhelming amount of their profit from Citizen sales; LE representing less than 1/3 of their $$$. Glock would not respond, nor would Springfield, Beretta (found out through another source), HK would not comment officially, but disclosed where that information could be found.
NOT ONE manufacturer of firearms that I am aware of made any public support for letting the so called AWB die pre September '94. If you know of one, I'd like to know. Many did offer "backhanded support" by offering standard capacity magazines contingent upon the ban's demise. Sig came the closest to making a public pronouncement.
LE sales are typically handled by a different department among gun manufacturers, often to the detriment of Citizen sales. Citizen sales bear the increased profit margin burden of the reduced price given to LE contract sales, or individual LE purchases so every time you see LE contract guns at a distributor (Not an FFL, a distributor like Davidson's, J&G sales, etc.), note that the regular gun prices are more than a bit higher. While they won't crow about this, Beretta alleged on their tour that "If you come up with an order of at least 500 guns, we'll make them in the configuration you want". That was the minimum number req'd to task their top dollar machinery and be able to turn a profit.
Still, the bottom line is that LE pricing at the manufacturer level means all of us pay, since that money has to come from somewhere.
Robbing Peter to pay Paul...
Still, one thing companies are able to leverage is the "LE designation" in marketing material. If it ain't in high LE demand, or "Operator approved" etc., it ain't tactical. If it ain't tactical, it won't sell.
Now, why the ammo "LE Only" designation for distributor sales?
Cheap for defensive ammo ~/= "OK"
that said, most manufacturers produce reliable stuff that is tough to duplicate, much less surpass.
I'd be curious myself to know what EXACTLY the "law enforcement" designation really means in the ammunition world. I find it a bit counterintuitive in the gun manufacturer world, as follows.
Many moons ago, I contacted several manufacturers for their comment on the potential reauthorization of the so called AWB. This was for an article I penned, but did not make it to publishing. In my research I discovered that even Berretta, Sig, HK, make an overwhelming amount of their profit from Citizen sales; LE representing less than 1/3 of their $$$. Glock would not respond, nor would Springfield, Beretta (found out through another source), HK would not comment officially, but disclosed where that information could be found.
NOT ONE manufacturer of firearms that I am aware of made any public support for letting the so called AWB die pre September '94. If you know of one, I'd like to know. Many did offer "backhanded support" by offering standard capacity magazines contingent upon the ban's demise. Sig came the closest to making a public pronouncement.
LE sales are typically handled by a different department among gun manufacturers, often to the detriment of Citizen sales. Citizen sales bear the increased profit margin burden of the reduced price given to LE contract sales, or individual LE purchases so every time you see LE contract guns at a distributor (Not an FFL, a distributor like Davidson's, J&G sales, etc.), note that the regular gun prices are more than a bit higher. While they won't crow about this, Beretta alleged on their tour that "If you come up with an order of at least 500 guns, we'll make them in the configuration you want". That was the minimum number req'd to task their top dollar machinery and be able to turn a profit.
Still, the bottom line is that LE pricing at the manufacturer level means all of us pay, since that money has to come from somewhere.
Robbing Peter to pay Paul...
Still, one thing companies are able to leverage is the "LE designation" in marketing material. If it ain't in high LE demand, or "Operator approved" etc., it ain't tactical. If it ain't tactical, it won't sell.
Now, why the ammo "LE Only" designation for distributor sales?
Sinsaba
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My bet is hype ...
If it sold only to LEO it must be good! Sure I'll pay almost anything to get it!! Talk about TACTICAL!!
Of course... if memory serves me correctly, http://www.ammolab.com (before they went commercial) did some tests that showed the other Winchester 147gr HP subsonic has almost the same terminal ballistics as the Ranger. It just doesn't have the "talons" from the jacket.
I could be wrong, that's just from memory and you know how us old farts are about remembering things.
Still, if I can get it at a REASONABLE price I will pay a bit more for the RA9T
If it sold only to LEO it must be good! Sure I'll pay almost anything to get it!! Talk about TACTICAL!!
Of course... if memory serves me correctly, http://www.ammolab.com (before they went commercial) did some tests that showed the other Winchester 147gr HP subsonic has almost the same terminal ballistics as the Ranger. It just doesn't have the "talons" from the jacket.
I could be wrong, that's just from memory and you know how us old farts are about remembering things.
Still, if I can get it at a REASONABLE price I will pay a bit more for the RA9T
Smurfslayer
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I was just making some "Dave Only" ammo tonight
It might have something to do with that thing(besides my arms) I have up my sleeve for this Friday.
It might have something to do with that thing(besides my arms) I have up my sleeve for this Friday.
Well Regulated
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Ranger Ammo or a Hammer?
I bet smursflayer is bringing a hammer. A Hammer is tatctical and just as deadly as a 9mm.:
"Harrison left the bedroom and as he entered the living room, appellant shot Harrison with a 9-mm pistol in the stomach, in his right arm, and once in each hip.
Harrison then retreated to the bedroom, where he laid on the floor and asked appellant to call 911. Appellant ignored his plea. As Harrison tried to crawl back into the living room, appellant grabbed a hammer and hit Harrison two times on the back of his head. Harrison was still in the bedroom when this second attack occurred."
The hammer was marked, Law Enforcement only:
If I had a Hammer... I'd Hammer in the Evening...
I bet smursflayer is bringing a hammer. A Hammer is tatctical and just as deadly as a 9mm.:
"Harrison left the bedroom and as he entered the living room, appellant shot Harrison with a 9-mm pistol in the stomach, in his right arm, and once in each hip.
Harrison then retreated to the bedroom, where he laid on the floor and asked appellant to call 911. Appellant ignored his plea. As Harrison tried to crawl back into the living room, appellant grabbed a hammer and hit Harrison two times on the back of his head. Harrison was still in the bedroom when this second attack occurred."
The hammer was marked, Law Enforcement only:
If I had a Hammer... I'd Hammer in the Evening...
Sinsaba
Member
I've got it!!! Tracer rounds in a pistol!! Right?
Smurfslayer
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There's a valid reason that it's "bighammer.net" not "wimpystriker.net"
And as of last Saturday, I have surpassed even "His Tacticalness". You want tactical... I'll give you tactical (actually, no I won't give it to you, you'll get it from my cold dead hands, but I can at least show you):
http://www.bighammer.net/images/FNC_1_0001.wmv
Sort of the epitome of tactical in a hand held. Anything more tactical would have to be crew served
And as of last Saturday, I have surpassed even "His Tacticalness". You want tactical... I'll give you tactical (actually, no I won't give it to you, you'll get it from my cold dead hands, but I can at least show you):
http://www.bighammer.net/images/FNC_1_0001.wmv
Sort of the epitome of tactical in a hand held. Anything more tactical would have to be crew served
There are no old farts. Sinsaba
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I bow to your superior uh... age... I mean your much greater experience...uh... your greater smell?
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