North's second term at NRA goes south.

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Armybrat said:
2018?
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It was an older article, that was the title of the article. 100% true still with everyone from KHarris to Swalwell coming out with radical proposals, each more radical than the next. The only strong 2A candidate is Trump. AFAIK, there is no true pro 2A Democrat running. Libertarians running against Trump in the Republican primary may be pro 2A but they are not strong contenders.

From Swalwells site:

m an original co-sponsor of H.R. 8, the Bipartisan Background Checks Act of 2019. This bipartisan bill would expand the federal background check system to cover all firearm sales, including those at gun shows, over the internet, or in classified ads, while also incentivizing states to provide more accurate and complete information to the national background check database. (I cosponsored similar bills as H.R. 4240 in the 115th Congress, H.R. 1217 in the 114th Congress and H.R. 1565 in the 113th Congress.)

I'm an original cosponsor of H.R. 1296, the Assault Weapons Ban of 2019. This bill would ban certain assault weapons, similar to existing California law, and ban ammunition feeding devices holding more than 10 rounds. (I cosponsored this as H.R. 5087 in the 115th Congress, H.R. 4269 in the 114th Congress, and H.R. 437 in the 113th Congress.)



In the 115th Congress:

I was an original cosponsor of H.R. 3464, the Background Check Completion Act of 2017. This bill would close the “Charleston loophole” – which let Dylan Roof buy the gun he used to murder nine churchgoers in 2015 in Charleston, S.C. – that has allowed dealers to hand over guns to buyers if a background check isn't finished within three days.

I cosponsored H.R. 4057, the Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act. This bipartisan “no fly, no buy” bill would deny people on the terrorist watch list the ability to purchase a firearm. (I cosponsored this as H.R. 1076 in the 114th Congress.)

I cosponsored H.R. 2598, the Gun Violence Restraining Order Act of 2017. This bipartisan bill would allow for the creation of a Gun Violence Prevention Order system in which families can ask their local courts to prevent a loved one from possessing a firearm, if the court finds that the individual poses a risk of injury to themselves or others.

I cosponsored H.R. 1478, the Gun Violence Research Act. This bipartisan bill would formally repeal the Dickey amendment, a longtime roadblock preventing the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and other federal health agencies from sponsoring independent research into the causes of, and potential solutions to, gun violence.
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https://swalwell.house.gov/issues/gun-violence-prevention

Kamala Harris Proposes Executive Orders on Gun Control:

“We need reasonable gun safety laws in this country, starting with universal background checks and a renewal of the assault weapon ban,” she added, “but they have failed to have the courage to act.”

She said she would introduce the executive actions if Congress did not pass gun control legislation in the first 100 days of her presidency.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/us/politics/kamala-harris-gun-control.html

Joe Biden has long been hostile to the Second Amendment:

AmmoLand.com)- There are some questions you can easily answer. One of them is Joe Biden’s stance on the Second Amendment. Here’s the quick scoop: He’s been hostile to our rights for over four decades.

Biden, though, stands out for his unwavering opposition to modern multi-purpose semi-automatic firearms. In November, 2017, he expressly stated that Stephen Willeford, the heroic armed citizen who stopped the mass shooting in Sutherland Springs, should not have been able to buy the AR-15 he used to stop the attack.
https://patriotgunnews.com/2019/04/03/joe-biden-has-long-been-hostile-to-the-second-amendment/
 
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My post analyzing the Democratic candidates' positions on guns got deleted, presumably for being "too political." I'm not going to try again, except to say that they are not marching in lockstep.
 
Divide and conquer, just remember divide and conquer.

Why I hate to see like minded 2A folks at odds about details and like the fact that there are 20 folks so far running for POTUS as a (D).

We have been “sold out” as gun owners for decades, not just a few of them either but we wouldn’t be where we are now without the “power of a large group” of like minded people. Lots of us have called that the NRA, the “power” comes from being said group. It gets smaller, you have less political leverage.

They have too often “taken one for the team” in being part of “selling us out” but what should worry “us” is that reflects the members of the most powerful group that wants to help us retain what rights we have left.

Trump even spoke at the NRA convention despite an executive branch directed law interpretation that could really hurt 2A folks, not just in the short term plastic crap ban but long term, semiauto in general, if SCOTUS let’s it slide.
 
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Unanimously re-elected, Wayne’s sticking around. I might not be. Not quite a rage quit, it’s been a slow burning buildup. I don’t like suffering that fool and his acquiescence to ban bump stocks by administrative decree, shameless and constant begging, fearmongering, and total lunacy any longer.

Sad for the once-great NRA, but I don’t trust them at all to not sell out to their populist master.
 
Old Dog said:
Democrats don't look under their beds for the GOA, JPFO or SAF at night before turning in, they're looking for the NRA Boogeyman.
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The NRA is their punching bag. They use it to whip up the base just like the right uses gay people buying wedding cakes. To both sides the end is always nigh.:rofl:

We're in a dangerous spot right now IMO. When Obama was president the FUD was in full swing. He was an amazing gun salesman. The reality is that so far as I can recall the only gun thing that really happened was Mr.Obama signing the law that allows carry of firearms into parks. Under Trump we already have a ban by EO and a statement that "I like to take the guns first. Due process later." Ladies and gentleman, when someone tells you who they are- believe him.
 
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Wisco said:
Unanimously re-elected, Wayne’s sticking around. I might not be. Not quite a rage quit, it’s been a slow burning buildup. I don’t like suffering that fool and his acquiescence to ban bump stocks by administrative decree, shameless and constant begging, fearmongering, and total lunacy any longer.

Sad for the once-great NRA, but I don’t trust them at all to not sell out to their populist master.
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Lol, Populist master?
 
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I'm not giving one red cent until there is some transparency and accountability. This getting ripped off for a noble cause does not make a whole bunch of sense. How much horsepower do you think the NRA will have under this cloud. I'm not willing to support a ripoff if that's the case. Not buying into this fake news. Some questions need to be answered. A lawyer recently told me absolutely he does not lie. Right.
 
Sticking to the original topic - Oliver North , here's what I think:

North , in his effort to better himself , was willing to go so far as to take actions which would be directly harmful to the NRA.

Good riddance.
 
somethingbenign said:
I'll probably still donate to the NRA since I need membership to join any of the outdoor ranges near me...
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That is screwed up and I would go out of my way to find a new range out of principle. I wouldn’t support any business that forced me to donate my money to an organization they believed in in order to do business with them.

I don’t know if this is common among gun ranges, but it makes me thankful that I can shoot all I want right off my front porch.
 
I support the NRA. Who else do we have on our side? Good riddance to Oliver North. I didn't want to see him there from the beginning. Talk here on THR makes me worry about our next election.
 
These people in the top echelon of organizations like the NRA didn’t get there because they tried so hard to look out for the little guy and the road was magically paved for them. They got there because along the road to power, they met and made powerful friends. That’s how the system works. Remember, “Absolute power corrupts, absolutely”. They aren’t us. They don’t want to be us. They like being them. It’s our job as members to keep that power in check. We need an independent audit. And it needs to be made available to its members. And then we need to decide what we do.

I’ve already sent an email expressing my displeasure with the current set of events and have urged the NRA to be cautious and transparent. Because their future depends on it. If we find out they have been screwing us over, we’ll be gone faster than a cheap toupee in a hurricane.
 
Phaedrus/69 said:
The NRA is their punching bag. They use it to whip up the base just like the right uses gay people buying wedding cakes. To both sides the end is always nigh.:rofl:

We're in a dangerous spot right now IMO. When Obama was president the FUD was in full swing. He was an amazing gun salesman. The reality is that so far as I can recall the only gun thing that really happened was Mr.Obama signing the law that allows carry of firearms into parks. Under Trump we already have a ban by EO and a statement that "I like to take the guns first. Due process later." Ladies and gentleman, when someone tells you who they are- believe him.
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Actually Obama did another gun related deed. He ban the importation of M1 Carbines from Korea thru EO. That had zero effect on the gun industry here other than keeping 70K old ratty carbines off the market. I know about it because I'm heavy into USGI carbines but most people don't know anything about that EO. I was still able to buy several so it was really small potatoes. Obama got on his stump railing for AWB2 after Sandyhook but it didn't pass the senate. Before Sandyhook he was a moderate regarding gun control. That happened in his second term.

The President is a Populist. That means he's going to try and get political mileage out of each and every crises. If there isn't one he will create one. That's how he rolls. He's using the NRA for cover and a lightning rod, very clever. Anything to drum up media coverage. An NRA convention will work. The NRA made a huge mistake when they endorsed Mr Trump and gave him 30 million dollars. They didn't have to do that. They could have just as easily given that PAC money to GOP candidates running for congress who had a track record voting against gun control. The Heritage foundation didn't give Trump a dime during his campaign because they knew he was a loose canon and they couldn't depend on him to do their bidding. Smart move, they spend their money wisely, the NRA, not so much. If another AWB ever gets to the presidents desk he'll sign it into law because there will be popular support for it just like a bumpstock ban. When the NRA is no longer a useful tool for Trump they'll be gone. What a bunch of suckers.
 
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There are a lot of current NRA paid members who are unhappy with the state of the NRA, with it's direction and lack of clarity. How can LaPierre be reelected unanimously? Were we aware of his election and who ran against him? Do we, the rank and file, have a choice who is the Executive Vice President? Can we, as members, demand more accountability and access to the way funds are dispersed? Since this is a Not For Profit entity, what rights do we, the dues paying members, have in deciding who leads us and in what direction we go?

We've been reading about current members who may wish to stop their dues.
We've been reading about not-yet members who are thinking twice about joining.
We've been reading about current members who have become disillusioned about the current state of affairs.
We need the NRA for the many reasons stated above. Like them or not, they are the most powerful voice of 2nd Amendment supporters.
As has been mentioned, a house divided will soon perish.
We, the members, need to do what we can to keep this together and running smoothly.

My question is: Can the Admins of this board put together some kind of petition that we can all (whoever wants to) sign so we can show the NRA how we feel?
We can open it to anybody or limit it to current NRA members. Whatever works. We need to do something, as a group, to make them hear us.
When I asked, I was told to mail a letter to the NRA Headquarters in Fairfax, VA. Done. But 1 letter from 1 member is not the same as 1 letter from
hundreds of people, maybe thousands?

Is there something that this Community can do, as one, to get their attention?
 
bds said:
Now that North is out, any suggestions for replacement?
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We found out that the position of President of the NRA is nothing more than a figurehead on paper. If the President can't do anything,
what's the point? A face for the news cameras? A face to spew the words of LaPierre? What does this position do? Does he matter?
 
It's a PR position. When Wayne announced Ollie, he said that this appointment drove fear into the hearts of the antigun forces. I thought that was a touch exaggerated as an old coot with a checkered past, that current young folks never heard of, might only move the bowels of people my age. Then, this broke out.

Here's a pretty straight forward article on the controversy:

https://www.vox.com/2019/4/30/18510946/nra-finances-lapierre-north-accusations-corruption

It lays out a pretty incompetent financial and political strategy. Poor researched business dealings to recover funds for supporting a president who played right into gun control precedents without much thought.

Again, supporting the cause and the mission of the organization does not mean blind loyalty to incompetent leadership.

https://www.vox.com/2019/4/30/18510946/nra-finances-lapierre-north-accusations-corruption
 
larryh1108 said:
How can LaPierre be reelected unanimously? Were we aware of his election and who ran against him? Do we, the rank and file, have a choice who is the Executive Vice President? Can we, as members, demand more accountability and access to the way funds are dispersed?
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It’s my understanding that the board members elect the executive vice president. I can’t seem to find a current list of board members. We don’t have a choice.

The only thing I know I can do is resign my life membership in protest. That seems silly and very futile as a protest.
 
bds said:
No, gun owners will simply choose another pro-gun/2A organization and make it the next most powerful gun organization.

It may have already started to happen.

Many pro-gun/2A gun owners have conviction and willing to donate money.
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Considering how we as a group think and how wishy-washy we are over the NRA how long will it take for gun owners to grow another organization to the strength of the NRA? We will be out gunned, out flanked, over powered, and done with before it happens. The anti's are strong and ready and willing right now while we will be staring over. We will be finished before we even get started.
 
I find most of the gun owners I know are conservative. The are law abiding and do not tolerate turds. My focus and theirs is to be left alone to go about our business. When turds go about defending our rights we are in deep trouble sooner or later. Looks like sooner is at hand. It's hard to discuss the NRA without talking about politics as we see here. Who are the real suckers in this dance? Audit and transparency now!

Addendum: There is some propaganda out there than there are big wheels in the NRA who have no history of firearm ownership or use. Can this be true?
 
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