Freedom_fighter_in_IL
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To hell with the Ex wife. I'm putting the CURRENT one on the spot for this one!
Not again.......! Feral Hog Control in East Texas
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To hell with the Ex wife. I'm putting the CURRENT one on the spot for this one!
Wow, Flint, excellent thread and some great lessons on hogs.
You have sympathies and respect from Maine. Keep up the good work. Educate the next generation.
Curious: how much does the corn cost (for example a month supply)?
BTW, I surf 'Mud by a different name.
You have sympathies and respect from Maine. Keep up the good work. Educate the next generation.
Curious: how much does the corn cost (for example a month supply)?
BTW, I surf 'Mud by a different name.
Hey Flint,
My wife has been reading this thread over my shoulder (how annoying) and is curious what type of photography equipment you are using?? This might be my chance to get her involved in something other than bothering me. Wife typing husband dictating
your photos are great!
My wife has been reading this thread over my shoulder (how annoying) and is curious what type of photography equipment you are using?? This might be my chance to get her involved in something other than bothering me. Wife typing husband dictating
your photos are great!
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Flintknapper
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8654Maine wrote:
Shelled corn per 50# bag (here) is currently just under $10.00 (about twice what it was just 3 years ago). I am sure we have "ethanol" to thank for that. Usage per month varies, but no less than 400 lbs.
Shelled corn per 50# bag (here) is currently just under $10.00 (about twice what it was just 3 years ago). I am sure we have "ethanol" to thank for that.
Usage per month varies, but no less than 400 lbs.Tell me what color and year model your Land Cruiser is...and maybe I can figure it out.
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Cypress
Cypress,
Most of the time I use a simple Canon S5IS, its easy to take along...will take both still pics and video, is fully programmable by the user...but can be used as a "point and shoot" when used on "Auto".
With the new digital age of photography...there is no reason for anyone interested... not to get involved. Its SO easy compared to the film cameras I grew up with.
Many folks find photography a satisfying (sometimes addictive) past time. I am very much the amateur...but I like to use pics in posts (where appropriate) because they lend so much to a story or statement.
Cypress,
Most of the time I use a simple Canon S5IS, its easy to take along...will take both still pics and video, is fully programmable by the user...but can be used as a "point and shoot" when used on "Auto".
With the new digital age of photography...there is no reason for anyone interested... not to get involved. Its SO easy compared to the film cameras I grew up with.
Many folks find photography a satisfying (sometimes addictive) past time. I am very much the amateur...but I like to use pics in posts (where appropriate) because they lend so much to a story or statement.
Sstanton803
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Flint,
I read your posts religiously. Thanks for both your time and energies documenting your battles with the hogs. I have been hunting hogs for the past year and have had some great luck here in central South Carolina. I'm wanting to harvest a bigger boar, the dominant one in our area, and I am thinking that some sort of sow estrus or "Sow In Heat" product would be a good approach. I tried the "Hog Bomb" and it was horrible though... Do you have any opinions on other urines to uset?
Also, I just set up a timed feeder last week. Corn is expensive here as well... close to $12 for a 50lb bag, so we're trying to make it go as far as possible and we're also trying to get the hogs on a regular pattern. Right now we have it set for about 20 minutes before night fall... do you have any suggestions?
Thank you for your time and I apologize for the open ended questions. I GREATLY appreciate your feedback.
-Stephen
I read your posts religiously. Thanks for both your time and energies documenting your battles with the hogs. I have been hunting hogs for the past year and have had some great luck here in central South Carolina. I'm wanting to harvest a bigger boar, the dominant one in our area, and I am thinking that some sort of sow estrus or "Sow In Heat" product would be a good approach. I tried the "Hog Bomb" and it was horrible though... Do you have any opinions on other urines to uset?
Also, I just set up a timed feeder last week. Corn is expensive here as well... close to $12 for a 50lb bag, so we're trying to make it go as far as possible and we're also trying to get the hogs on a regular pattern. Right now we have it set for about 20 minutes before night fall... do you have any suggestions?
Thank you for your time and I apologize for the open ended questions. I GREATLY appreciate your feedback.
-Stephen
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Flintknapper
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Sstanton803 wrote:
Hi Stephen, welcome to THR. I rarely use estrous scents to attract Boars, but when I do...I use Code Blue Sow in Heat. But honestly, there is nothing better than having a REAL sow in your area that IS (or about to be) in estrous.
It has been my experience that estrous scents might pique the interest of any boar already in the area, but don't expect the product to draw them in from great distances.
As for attracting the "dominant" boar in an area....that can be more "luck of the draw" than anything else. Depending upon the population of the hogs in your area and the average age structure, "dominant" could mean anything from a 1-1/2 year old boar... to an old War Torn...Tusker.
If you can attract (and hold) a group of hogs for several weeks, chances are excellent they will be visited by one or more boars. There may even be juvenile boars in the group, but normally a group/sounder will be made up of a greater number of females than males.
So.... each of those (of breeding age) is a potential breeding opportunity for a boar. Sows are polyestrous...meaning that if not impregnated when in estrous, they will have another (or multiple) cycle(s) later.
In short, a group of sows (if not pregnant or already with litter) is almost certain to contain a number of animals in estrous, or nearing estrous. If that is the case, a boar (or boars) WILL be nearby. Hence, no need for artificial attractants.
Excellent move! If you can get the hogs coming in on a regular basis, you have half the battle won. You do not need to feed tremendous amounts of corn to keep them coming back. Set your feeder to distribute corn for 3-5 seconds and that should be plenty.
If your budget will allow, a game camera can be of great aid in determining when they are coming in and what the "make up" of the herd is. Though I would not set one out if the property you hunt is public... or otherwise not secure.
If you plan to hunt over it (assuming it is legal in your State), then I would move it back to an hour before dark. Often times, hogs will come in and "stage" the area before actually approaching the feeder. Other times they come running in as soon as it goes off, just depends on the group.
But its almost a certainty that any MATURE boar with the group... will be on the outskirts and will probably wait awhile before showing himself. You'll want all the daylight you can get.
Hi Stephen, welcome to THR. I rarely use estrous scents to attract Boars, but when I do...I use Code Blue Sow in Heat. But honestly, there is nothing better than having a REAL sow in your area that IS (or about to be) in estrous.
It has been my experience that estrous scents might pique the interest of any boar already in the area, but don't expect the product to draw them in from great distances.
As for attracting the "dominant" boar in an area....that can be more "luck of the draw" than anything else. Depending upon the population of the hogs in your area and the average age structure, "dominant" could mean anything from a 1-1/2 year old boar... to an old War Torn...Tusker.
If you can attract (and hold) a group of hogs for several weeks, chances are excellent they will be visited by one or more boars. There may even be juvenile boars in the group, but normally a group/sounder will be made up of a greater number of females than males.
So.... each of those (of breeding age) is a potential breeding opportunity for a boar. Sows are polyestrous...meaning that if not impregnated when in estrous, they will have another (or multiple) cycle(s) later.
In short, a group of sows (if not pregnant or already with litter) is almost certain to contain a number of animals in estrous, or nearing estrous. If that is the case, a boar (or boars) WILL be nearby. Hence, no need for artificial attractants.
Excellent move! If you can get the hogs coming in on a regular basis, you have half the battle won. You do not need to feed tremendous amounts of corn to keep them coming back. Set your feeder to distribute corn for 3-5 seconds and that should be plenty.
If your budget will allow, a game camera can be of great aid in determining when they are coming in and what the "make up" of the herd is. Though I would not set one out if the property you hunt is public... or otherwise not secure.
If you plan to hunt over it (assuming it is legal in your State), then I would move it back to an hour before dark. Often times, hogs will come in and "stage" the area before actually approaching the feeder. Other times they come running in as soon as it goes off, just depends on the group.
But its almost a certainty that any MATURE boar with the group... will be on the outskirts and will probably wait awhile before showing himself. You'll want all the daylight you can get.
halogrinder
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flint- thanks for the read- i have been following this ever since you started it up and i found it (about a year and a half ago).....
my pigs i shoot (at) are also in evolution. they ARE getting smarter. i know they arent getting scarce, just better at evading me.
5 years ago we would run into them at LEAST 4-5 times in a night.
now, we have to run all night and morning to run into them 1-2 times.... IF THAT!
unfortunately i cant go and check up on them every night. im there once a month- if that.... so knowing patterns is pretty much out the window.
what i HAVE noticed is that my attractants do not get them to just "come out" and start munching.....
corn
corn/diesel
strawberry jellow
commerical hog bait (smells like strawberry jellow and corn feed lol)
hog bomb (smells like bum piss downtown- seriously)
pig pipe in various shapes
deer feeder
apples
oranges
thats what i have tried with little/no success. i really have never run up to them eating it. normally next morning its still there. im assuming because im not putting it right in front of them/ too much area to cover. i have hunted at this area for 5-6 years now, and my yield is constantly getting smaller and smaller. last few years i have even got skunked on a few trips (not even seeing them)...... this drought hasnt helped.
regardless, your the reason im getting a 458 SOCOM now. unless in the money spot, my223 doesnt drop them. i have dropped 20+ with my AK47, and now have been experimenting with my saiga12 and 20 round drums alternating from 00buck/slug.... but havent found a good group to hammer down on. we shoot them on the run, so its hard to hit shot placement.
now its a SOCOM16, my saiga, or my AK.... the .223 is for plinkin'
keep on keepin'on, i like reading your stuff
here's a few i have snagged..... biggest one was about 250lbs. owner keeps saying there is a few that are 300-400, but i havent seen sign/nor evidence. not that i dont believe him, i just havent seen them.
these dang pigs. elusive and hard as HELL to drop unless you shoot them PERFECT. thus, the 458 coming
the one with the foam coming out of its neck tried to get in the jeep
buddy shot it w/ an SKS in the neck, it turned around and rammed the jeep. tried to crawl in (no doors), but the cooler on the passenger seat kept him out. a magazine from my sig 9mm got him in the face, but didnt really stop him.
thus, i only carry 45ACP or larger for a side arm. 9mm and 40S&W dont do much to them.
(about a year and a half ago).....my pigs i shoot (at) are also in evolution. they ARE getting smarter. i know they arent getting scarce, just better at evading me.
5 years ago we would run into them at LEAST 4-5 times in a night.
now, we have to run all night and morning to run into them 1-2 times.... IF THAT!
unfortunately i cant go and check up on them every night. im there once a month- if that.... so knowing patterns is pretty much out the window.
what i HAVE noticed is that my attractants do not get them to just "come out" and start munching.....
corn
corn/diesel
strawberry jellow
commerical hog bait (smells like strawberry jellow and corn feed lol)
hog bomb (smells like bum piss downtown- seriously)
pig pipe in various shapes
deer feeder
apples
oranges
thats what i have tried with little/no success. i really have never run up to them eating it. normally next morning its still there. im assuming because im not putting it right in front of them/ too much area to cover. i have hunted at this area for 5-6 years now, and my yield is constantly getting smaller and smaller. last few years i have even got skunked on a few trips (not even seeing them)...... this drought hasnt helped.
regardless, your the reason im getting a 458 SOCOM now. unless in the money spot, my223 doesnt drop them. i have dropped 20+ with my AK47, and now have been experimenting with my saiga12 and 20 round drums alternating from 00buck/slug.... but havent found a good group to hammer down on. we shoot them on the run, so its hard to hit shot placement.
now its a SOCOM16, my saiga, or my AK.... the .223 is for plinkin'
keep on keepin'on, i like reading your stuff
here's a few i have snagged..... biggest one was about 250lbs. owner keeps saying there is a few that are 300-400, but i havent seen sign/nor evidence. not that i dont believe him, i just havent seen them.
these dang pigs. elusive and hard as HELL to drop unless you shoot them PERFECT. thus, the 458 coming
the one with the foam coming out of its neck tried to get in the jeep
buddy shot it w/ an SKS in the neck, it turned around and rammed the jeep. tried to crawl in (no doors), but the cooler on the passenger seat kept him out. a magazine from my sig 9mm got him in the face, but didnt really stop him.
thus, i only carry 45ACP or larger for a side arm. 9mm and 40S&W dont do much to them.
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Gunner11
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Just found this thread, awesome. Just to show that it is an international problem, these photos show one nights digging earlier this year on a farm near ours. This paddock is 100 acres and around 20 were rooted up. This happens night after night over the entire place, we dogged 4 and shot another 2 but there must be hundreds.
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Freedom_fighter_in_IL
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Gunner11, actually a group of 20 hogs could easily cause that much damage (shown in the pics) in one night.
Twmaster
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It sounds like what we collectively need is some bad mamba-jamba like Rambo to wipe out these pests.
Wait. I've got it. We need HAMBO! Him and a squadron of Pork Choppers....
I can hear it now... Wagner playing in the background... I LOVE the smell of BACON in the morning!
Gosh, I think I need to lay off the cheap booze....
Wait. I've got it. We need HAMBO! Him and a squadron of Pork Choppers....
I can hear it now... Wagner playing in the background... I LOVE the smell of BACON in the morning!
Gosh, I think I need to lay off the cheap booze....
gathert
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Napalm sticks to pigs right?
Yellowfin
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This thread is getting me fired up. I'll be coming to Texas in December to help out with the problem and hopefully bring home lots of pork. You may say I can only eat so much pork, but I've got a few friends and I can make a whole hell of a lot more if I've got hundreds of pounds of meat to eat. I'm going to buy a Caja China if I put enough of them down. I could cook and eat every weekend if I had enough meat, there's nothing I like better to do. Andouille, chorizo, and linguica (Italian is LAME compared to those three), smoked shoulders, country ham, ribs, belly, tamales, cassoulet, satay, panzit, panang, moo shoo...I freakin' love it all dude! If you think there's such a thing as too much pork, you don't cook it enough ways.
BRING IT ON, PORKY!!! I GOT 77, 147, 150, AND 180 GRAINS OF SUPERSONIC DEATH FOR EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU!
BRING IT ON, PORKY!!! I GOT 77, 147, 150, AND 180 GRAINS OF SUPERSONIC DEATH FOR EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU!
Twmaster
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Right!
sixgunner455
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Flint - the pics of your daughter with her pigs, and that nice Savage, just fire me up. Excellent stuff!
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Here's what I came up with:
The light is supposedly rated at 320 lumens, although can use several possible batteries and I don't know which are brighter. I'm using three AAA and I'm sure they're not the strongest option. Still, I had it out this weekend and it looks like it should easily work to 75-80 yards, perhaps more. I doubt that I'll be attempting shots much longer than that at night. The near full moon may also have biased the results negatively by providing less contrast than might be present on darker nights.
One limiting factor is that I'm using a EOTech 512 red dot sight. I have a 3X magnifier, but that doesn't provide the same light-gathering capability of a 40mm or larger objective lens on a scope.
It uses a small weaver type mount on the bayonet lug on my AR-10 (actually a Bushmaster ORC in .308). The light holder is attached from there. The light mount is 30mm, and the flashlight (a Solarforce L2i) is actually 29mm in diameter, so I wrapped about four feet of surveyor's flagging around the light (that's the blue stuff under the mounting clamp). It holds pretty well. The nut attaching the light mount to the weaver mount on the bayonet lug can be easily hand-tightened, and just as easily removed for daytime use.
Thanks again for the info on lights and lumens.
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der Teufel - where'd you get that mount?
der Teufel
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The small weaver mount that is attached to the bayonet lug is KZ 3-Slot Bayonet Lug Mount, which I found at: http://www.botachtactical.com/kz3balugmo.html
COMMENT: The mount was too tight to fit on my bayonet lug as received. I don't know if my lug was a little too thick, or the mount too tight. I sort of suspect the former, but I really don't know. I took a hand file and put the mount in a vise. About twenty or thirty strokes later to widen out the mounting channel, I had a snug fitting part.
The flashlight mount is a Cantilever 30MM WEAVER STYLE RING 1 INCH INSERT QW30WM which came from: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000XTODRO
The flashlight is a Solarforce L2i light which I purchased through eBay. As I mentioned I've only been out one weekend with this setup so far, but I think it's going to work for me.
gathert
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That look like the glock mount you can put on your AR so you can attach a pistol to it. I like mine a little more in reach but that looks like it will work great since it won't bugger up your sight picture with glare off the side of the rails. Now attach a pistol bayonet on a rail and poke those piggies.
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Teufel - danke.
Flint I saw someplace in this thread that you are using some sort of sprayable creosote to treat trees in your area. I have a line of power poles on my property (10 or so) and every one of them is rubbed clean by the hogs. What and how much are you using
Thanks for your help
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Thanks for your help
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Flintknapper
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I use Kreso_D.
http://stores.godwinsoutdoorinc.com/Detail.bok?no=222
You can mix it any strength you want, but 60 to 1 is plenty.
Don't get any on you...it will smell for a long time. Also, don't treat posts/trees/stumps if its going to rain soon afterward.
http://stores.godwinsoutdoorinc.com/Detail.bok?no=222
You can mix it any strength you want, but 60 to 1 is plenty.
Don't get any on you...it will smell for a long time. Also, don't treat posts/trees/stumps if its going to rain soon afterward.
Carl N. Brown
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Feral Hogs: not just a problem in Texas.
But every state seems to have its own ideas on how to deal with it. In Missouri hunters may shoot wild hogs on sight as vermin.
Now that Tennessee has a recognized wild hog problem (caused in part by stocking by canned hunt promoters), the answer of the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency has been (a) to ban all hunting or shooting of pigs by hunting permit holders, (b) to authorize landowners, their family and their tenants to kill any feral hogs they see by any legal hunting method without a permit, and (c) to authorize landowners to get a permit to hunt feral hogs at night or over bait (ordinarily illegal, and the landowner may designate up to ten people to use his permit.) Also any trapped pigs must be killed and cannot be relocated. The goal appears to be to stop any pretense of canned hog hunts or restocking for hunting anywhere in Tennessee, but I am not sure it is the total answer.
But every state seems to have its own ideas on how to deal with it. In Missouri hunters may shoot wild hogs on sight as vermin.
Now that Tennessee has a recognized wild hog problem (caused in part by stocking by canned hunt promoters), the answer of the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency has been (a) to ban all hunting or shooting of pigs by hunting permit holders, (b) to authorize landowners, their family and their tenants to kill any feral hogs they see by any legal hunting method without a permit, and (c) to authorize landowners to get a permit to hunt feral hogs at night or over bait (ordinarily illegal, and the landowner may designate up to ten people to use his permit.) Also any trapped pigs must be killed and cannot be relocated. The goal appears to be to stop any pretense of canned hog hunts or restocking for hunting anywhere in Tennessee, but I am not sure it is the total answer.
halogrinder
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i think ANY state that restricts ANY way to shoot/kill/control hogs is shooting themselves in the foot.
Freedom_fighter_in_IL
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Couldn't agree more with that statement. I am sure Tennessee will figure out their boo boo soon enough. The thinking behind their engagement of these new regs is to keep the idiots that are stocking hogs from doing it anymore. Take away the money and you take away the reason.
