Not loving reloading.

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Reloading is like making your bed. Everyone sleeps, but some of us sleep better than others.

Reference accuracy, if you are shooting off hand, you will be hard pressed to see a difference unless you are awesome or a robot. The other factor is your gun. Some guns are capable of a certain accuracy level and that's it. Others can be tuned with handloads. For example, a Glock will never shoot 1" groups at 25 yards, but a custom 1911 can, with some handloads... some handloads, not all handloads. However, if you were to shoot both with some cheap factory ammo, they would prolly shoot the same. You cannot just slap a load together, even though it is published in a manual, and expect it to shoot like a laser.

I test for accuracy by shooting off a bench rest. This eliminates shooter error and enables me to see what the gun is capable of. My handloads often shoot better than factory, but not always. If my handload is not significantly better than factory, I change the components. Primers, powder, bullet case- they all matter.

A Ha! moments? I still have them twenty years later. For example, I finally figured out why once-fired rifle brass shoots different than new rifle brass and requires a powder charge adjustment to stay inside the sweet-spot. This was as obvious as day and night but I discounted it for some reason: Once-fired brass is not returned to original dinensions by the sizing die, hence it has a higher capacity, therefore pressures are lower and so is the velocity. That is often enough to take you out of the sweet-spot.

Another A HA! moment is shooting HBWC too slow. For years I thought you should keep the velocity to around 700 FPS to reduce the risk of their skirts blowing off and lodging in the bore. Most recently I decided to be brave and up the velocity to around 800 FPS and my groups shrunk by 50%. That's right, 50%. Reading a Speer reloading manual shows they recommed a max chaqrge of 3.8 grains of 231 in a 357 case. I now use 3.7. For years I used 3.4 and the accuracy suffered.

I'll give you one last A Ha! My Sig P210 has a .357" bore. Most 9mm bullets mike .355" You do the math.

Handloading enables you to get your gun to shoot it's best. If that's not good enough for you, consider you are saving 50% on ammo. If that's still not good enough, let us have your primers.
 
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Folks, this sounds like a good man that knows his priorities and has them in order of preference. We all should take note.

I totally agree. Spend time with your kids while you can. I grew up in a shooting family and looked forward to trap shooting with my Dad, uncles and granddad every Sunday. Some of my last times with my Dad were spent plinking with an air rifle out his patio door cracked open in the middle of a Wisconsin winter. For a long time it seemed that the family shooting tradition was going to end with me, but my son is the one who got me back into it recently when he decided to get his first handgun. Ironically, it was going to be from the same shop I used to go to with *my* Dad a long time ago. I told him about it and it was really touching when I found out that he'd told his friends who were supposed to go with him that he was going with just his Dad instead. It felt like everything had come around full circle and the tradition was going to continue. Times like that are priceless and make it all worthwhile. Don't take away from your family time for something like reloading. There will be plenty of time for it later.
BTW, my son watched me setting up my new reloading equipment and doing some case preparation and declared that it looks like too much trouble. He's 26 and doesn't have time for that stuff. I give him six months or so before he starts asking about reloading his own 9mm & .40 ammo.
 
Once the boys are out of the house in a few years, I think I will look at reloading in a whole new light and will likely embrace it with vigor.

And the best thing about it is you will have first hand knowledge when you decide to take the plunge.

I wish sometimes I had boys. I have one teenage daughter and one about to be and I used to be very involved as a coach and mentor until they each hit middle school. I discovered, that even though I am a good husband and dad, I do not have the skill set needed to manage large groups of teenage girls. Not sure who does really, but not this cat.

So, as my kids got older and left the travel soccer system and stopped doing Odyssey of the Mind (the two programs I coached) I had more free time, though sometimes I think I would rather be in your shoes and still busy with the kids outside of the home....

In the mean time, maybe you could provide your buddy with some supplies and he could load for you, you could save money and he could get some ammo for this time?
 
When I started, I had a temporary, semi-portable setup in the living room. It was a painstakingly slow learning process, since I didn't have anyone experienced guiding me. It would take me about 2-3 hours to load 12 .44 Magnum rounds. 2 years later, I have a very nice, organized permanent setup on a bench in the garage, and I've hit a groove where I can reload about 25 rounds/hour. I still consider myself a novice, and I'm just loading the minimum charges for economical plinking rounds, but it's pretty enjoyable. It just takes practice, patience, and more practice. When I fill up a 50-round plastic case with shiny home-made .45 ACP rounds that cost me 1/2 as much as a store-bought box of 50, it's a great feeling of satisfaction.
 
It's very detail-oriented of course, and I don't think there's any particular moment when you all-of-a-sudden love it. For me, it's incredibly rewarding to put together a really accurate rifle load for an individual rifle, that fills my need. Handloading has become (for me), as rewarding as the shooting part! I love going over to my shop on an evening and losing myself in the processes of putting together a few hundred rounds of pistol, or taking my time with some precision rifle cartridges. It's very relaxing - you can't really think of anything else while you're handloading, or you risk mistakes.

I use a progressive press only for pistol and 12 ga shotgun shells (for trap shooting). I use a single stage press for all my rifle work. It just gives me a good feeling to produce a precision rifle cartridge! I'm not just loading to save money - in fact when I factor in my time, it's very expensive to handload - both monetarily and time-wise. I value my weekends, as I work long hours during the week.

I think you either have the gene or not... if you're not the type to enjoy the detail and the really anal record keeping you should do, you should just buy your ammo and enjoy the shooting part. Don't let it spoil your time shooting, if you don't really like it!
 
You are missing out on a great father-son activity by not teaching your sons to reload. My first experience reloading was converting a five gallon bucket of military 308 into 22-243's for my dad.

And I think at least one reason why you don't like it is you are forced to do the whole process from beginning to end in one session. I almost never do that. If you have your own stuff you can do one operation and let it set for awhile.
 
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Well, when you get married you'll enjoy having a reason to go spend three hours in the corner of your basement.
 
It depends on what you are reloading. For me, .45 and rifle ammo is worth it. Have you seen the price of .45 lately? I can work up match loads for my long guns. I have a match load I am developing for my Garand using 168 grain match bullets and spent Greek brass. I can now load for less then I can get it from the CMP. Not to mention I have a deal in the works right now to purchase a bunch of 155 grain bullet pulls. My cost will be .30 cents a round. I can load the 168 grain for .41 cents and they are match grade bullets.
 
Like most others - I enjoy reloading.

To me it's almost like fly tying...rolling your own to shoot.

But I don't reload cheap brass eg milspec 223 etc. Only 45 long colt and 28 gauge.

I do save all of my rifle shells for eventual reloading, but I really don't shoot them enough to make it worthwhile at this time.

I have found that reloading is not really 'cheaper', instead I just get to shoot more for the amount of money spent on a hobby.

No having to worry about what ammo is carried at what stores is another big plus for reloading.
 
Well honestly, fwiw, I dont really care to reload pistol either. I do not really go for groupings with my pistol. I do it so I can afford to put rounds down range, i can understand why you dont care for it. I dont shoot pistol well enough to notice a difference between good factory rounds and my cartridges.
HOWEVER, to me , rifle rounds are a whole different story. Match grade ammunition or 338 rounds get expensive fast, if i dont reload, I simply cannot afford to get any decent trigger time in.
Get a good rifle and set up handloads for it, do a couple ladder tests and some load development, and i can promise you will feel better about the tedious parts of the process. The first time I shot a one hole group with my handloads, I was hooked. If I were shooting mostly pistol and cost were not much of a consideration, I would probably run walmart white box mostly and not worry about rolling my own.

Good luck
 
And I think at least one reason why you don't like it is you are forced to do the whole process from beginning to end in one session. I almost never do that. If have your own stuff you can do one operation and let it set for awhile.
armarsh has a good point here. If I had to run over to a buddy's house and do every step all at once, like the OP is doing, maybe it wouldn't be quite as relaxing? It's fun to just wander out to the shop and work on some case prep or load and seat some bullets at my leisure. But the other way sort of sounds like work.
 
I work as an auto mechanic at a small independent shop, we have plenty of "garage groupies" guys that frequent the shop to shoot the breeze, some are dailys.

They actually get tired of me handing them loaded rounds to inspect, that and the speil that goes along with them, explaining the whys and what fors associated with producing these mini missles of deadly lead. As soon as I greet them for the morning bs session and reach into my pocket , they will start to turn away, knowing another reloading story is about to unfold.

Guess I'm too old and too addicted to change my ways!
 
I'll repeat a statement I made earlier regarding the press. You're trying to ride 100 miles on a tricycle (actually, someone else's tricycle) and that's going to get old FAST.

You're locating and purchasing components, scheduling a time to load that's convenient for your pal, traveling to your friend's house, and then spending an afternoon of tedious setting up, measuring, double-checking, setting up again for the next die, and so on and so on, plus as you've mentioned, sorting brass, re-priming, etc. -- all to load the equivalent of $9-$15 worth of ammo in an hour. Yeah, unless you're just a process freak that has an innate love of every detail along the way, that's going to look like "a long walk for a short drink."

I need to come up with something under 10,000 rds. a year, give or take. I could not possibly afford to buy that much factory ammo.

HOWEVER, if I was forced to turn those out on a single-stage press, I'd probably end up getting a second job instead just so I could buy factory ammo!

Now, sitting down to a bucket of tumbled brass and 15 minutes later having the week's batch loaded up, well that's something I can live with.

As other have said, though, if I'm going to produce some precision rifle ammo, I'm going to be focused, "in-the-moment," detail oriented, and loving every minute of it (while only producing 50 or 100 rds. in an hour, maybe). Totally different thing.
 
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For me, it is my evening relaxation time. I have a single stage Lee press and it works superbly, once I figured it out. I reload both 9mm and .45ACP.

I purchased a Dillon 550 but haven't gotten around to setting it up. When I do, it should speed the process.

I like the cost savings, but also the ability it gives me to tailor the loads the way I like them.
 
The notion of saving money by reloading pistol ammo can be a overstated, most agree that they spend they same $$$ and just shoot a lot more for it.

I spent 40 years shooting pistol on store bought before I started reloading, more out of concerns over the US being Obaminated, than anything else, and to not have to worry about the ammo shortages his election created by panic buying.

I find it relaxing and fun. Would I still reload if $$$ were not an issue? I dunno, buy me a winning Lottery ticket and I'll tell you. I'll probably be spending too much time with leggy supermodels to spare any moments for reloading. LOL
 
To the OP:

It does sound as if you've got a lot good things going on in life, that takes priority of your time. And there's nothing wrong with that at all, that's a plus! Reloading may ALSO just not be your cup of tea. I don't like golf, and can hardly understand why anyone else does. I don't like watching baseball on TV... borrrring... but many people would disagree. ;)

But taking all that into account: if I had only a single-stage press, I'm not convinced I'd be reloading pistol ammo either. In my opinion, it is too many repetitive steps and too much time spent doing it.

Something else another person metioned: you're reloading by appointment, so to speak, and that's a bit different experience. I spend almost no time on case prep. I dump them in a tumbler and do something else for 3 hours. Sift them out, and start reloading. I also don't feel compelled to do everything in one sitting. I might clean on Sunday night, do some reloading on Monday, and on Tuesday do a final quality check. It feels less like a job that way, and more of a choice.

But whatever your decision, it sounds like you're considering all the variables and doing what's right for you. That's the important thing. :)

thorn
 
Yeah, even a single stage press at your own home, maybe getting your boys involved a little and splitting up between 2 sessions would make a HUGE difference.

Tumble some brass, then crank 'em all through the sizing die. Sit down in front of the TV and the 3 of you can hand prime 'em. Next session, put the seating die in, give 'em all powder, seat the bullets and your done.

A progressive would just be crankin' out the rounds in 2 short sessions. Once you have a progressive set up...walking into your loading area for just an hour can result in 2-400 rds.

Sounds like you need a basic progressive press set up...or none at all until a few years down the road.
 
Let's just say..... what if comes the day when ammo cannot be bought. And it turns out you just fired the last of most of your ammo last week. And....there're some Marxists (uh...tens of millions of them at last count...right here in MY COUNTRY) coming to take what's left of yours that they haven't already taken. And....you're over at your buddy's and he's trying to let you down easy, when the answer for more ammo is no. And......aw I'm just rambling....cogitating.......musing.....

Just sayin........

Oh wait! Let's just say....you're getting hungry because the grocery stores aren;t quite stocked as well as they were.....and your job is no more.....a couple of feral hogs and a doe would go a long way...and....pestulence is everywhere......and.....well, I'm rambling again.....thinking of what might be coming here in MY COUNTRY in the next few years...........just sayin.

Some reloading equipment and components might be nice. Or some food to trade to a friend who might reload some for you....

((( :D )))
 
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... if comes the day when ammo cannot be bought. And it turns out you just fired the last of most of your ammo last week.

If that day ever comes, I guess I will have to dig into my scrap 5 gallon bucket and reload my spent primers and load my rounds with match heads. :uhoh:

Save your spent primers, you never know! :D I am just kidding. - back to the OP.
 
... if comes the day when ammo cannot be bought. And it turns out you just fired the last of most of your ammo last week.
When that day comes the guys with black powder flint locks will be the ones that are eating good. They can make BP and find flint in the gravel bank. LOL
 
I like reloading for them same reasons as what they guys above have said. And one more.

Reloading seems to keep my wife out of my hair for a while. Not sure why. Not going to ask. But she leaves me alone when I reload for awhile.
 
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