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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by charon, Oct 5, 2007.

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  1. charon

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    Another CNN Anderson Cooper Blog hit piece on firearms -- acting as the Philly mouthpiece
    http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/

    My Response

    Let's see if it gets approved.
     
  2. foghornl

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    CNN =

    C ommunist
    N ews
    N etwork

    Have to say I'm not surprised at all by this.
     
  3. 40SW

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    The whole premise is incorrect. There is no such thing as "gun violence" , inanimate objects are not responsible for crime.
    CNN= bolshevism central. I agree.
     
  4. ArcherandShooter

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    Well written. I hope they use it.

    Not holding my breath, though.
     
  5. ClickClickD'oh

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    Dear Randi Kaye,

    Straw purchases are illegal. There are rules pertaining to who you can and can't sell your weapons to. Also, if you purchase 1,000 guns as per your example then turn around and sell them. you are acting as an unlicensed firearms dealer. Also against the law. Thanks for playing, liar.
     
  6. ArcherandShooter

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    Here's what I replied...

     
  7. ROMAK IV

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    I can't believe who wrong someone can be. I have additional comments:

    If the state's AWB was overturned in 1994, is was subsequently replaced with a Federal AWB. This is similiar to LA Chief of Police, Chief Bratton, complaining, very dishonestly, how the expiration of the federal AWB would result in a Assault weapon "crime wave" in his city, while California already had a much more severe and wasn't expiring.

    All legal sales of guns have been registered since 1968.

    What gun shop that you go to has 1000 guns? Buy more than one handgun and the ATF gets a mandatory report.

    And 85% of Philly's murders were committed with a firearm? Are we to believe all those were committed with an "assault weapon?" How many were committed with a handgun? How many were committed by a concealed handgun carried legally by a license holder? I thought I could by a gun without a license and without registration! If I could get 1000 guns without a license, why would I get a permit to carry it for the purpose of murder? If the problem is so prevalent with license holders, wouldn't the police just check all those people?

    And is "home rule" just an excuse to deny people their civil rights? Why not just have a "home rule" law allowing the police to enter anybodies home without a warrant. Or a home rule law prohibiting free speech. Yet, Jones, want the city to have a right to ignore the RKBA and state law, because he doesn't happen to like that one. In fact, the constitution of Pennsylvania states:"Section 21. The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned. " Seems to me, concealed carry laws are a constitutional right of Pennsylvania. For the police to question or deny a permit based upon a person's reason is not.
     
  8. ArcherandShooter

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    Charon, I just checked the comments section - your piece is in there, and it looks like they posted pretty much the whole thing!!

    Mine, too! And several others with pro-RKBA comments.

    I am pleasantly surprised.
     
  9. frankie_the_yankee

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    As ClickClickD'oh alluded to, all multiple gun purchases are reported to BATFE. If Cooper was anything more than an ignorant hack masquarading as a reporter, he would have discovered that in the research and fact checking that are a part of any professionally reported story.

    I guarantee you that if someone (non-FFL) bought 100 guns at one time, in Philly or anywhere else, BATFE agents would show up at his house soon after asking him what he planned to do with them.

    And if he sold or gave away more than 1 or 2 of them, he would be in for a long stay at "Club Fed".

    But those "inconvenient truths" get in the way of the propaganda piece that Cooper wanted to put on the tube.

    And his editors were too ignorant and/or biased to do anything about it.
     
  10. Prince Yamato

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    Yeah, because you're not a criminal, so you won't be treated like one. Shock! :what:

    Yeah, because you're not a criminal, so you won't be treated like one. Shock! :what:

    Also a license does not a good person make. How many people have driver's licenses, but routinely disobey traffic laws?
     
  11. ArcherandShooter

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    So tell them...

    Frankie, Clickclick,

    Good on you for spotting the factual errors in the story. What you need to do now is post comments and politely and respectfully point those out to Cooper (who was not the author of the original piece).

    They are posting pro-2A comments, folks, don't just gripe about it in here. (My apologies if you've already written CNN; you just didn't mention it in here.)

    This is a great opportunity to participate in a rational, fact-based manner in the debate that's going on. Grab it.
     
  12. damien

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    Well, I guess he agrees that instant background checks don't work. Shall we get rid of them, then?
     
  13. mnw42

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    I live near Philly!

    I live in Lower Bucks County about 10 min. from the Philadelphia City limits; so I hear about this all the time. Just a couple of points that I've heard from talking to an ADA in the city I know and a few others:

    1) Philly is the drug HUB of the east. A very large percentage come through Philadelphia for re-distribution. This is one of the reasons we had a problem with biker gangs in SE PA and South Jersey a few years ago.

    2) The vast majority of guns taken are small .38s, Glocks, and Sigs in 9mm and .40 S&W. As a general rule rifles cant be well hidden and thugs tend to use what the local PD uses.

    3) Almost none of those arrested legally obtained their weapons and none had a valid carry permit

    4) When they show a captured "gun cache" on the news it is typically they same kinds of guns. Rarely is an AK on the table, but SKSs do show up more often. There is often an illegally sawed-off shotgun.

    The city council had passed a number of bills and resolutions; all of which are non binding or have been ruled invalid by the courts.

    As a bonus the state constitution (1968) states in section 21:

    The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

    Corresponding provisions of prior Constitutions:
    Constitution of 1776, Dec. of Rights, Cl. XIII.
    Constitution of 1790, Art. IX, Sec. 21 (Verbatim).
    Constitution of 1838, Art. IX, Sec. 21 (Verbatim).
    Constitution of 1874, Art. I, Sec. 21 (Verbatim).

    That seems pretty clear doesn't it?:neener:
     
  14. statelineblues

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    Here's the comment I just left there:

    "Quite a piece of mis-information. I will not counter each and every inaccuracy in your story, for others posters here have already done an excellent job. I would have you look at major metropolitan cities like Boston, Washington, D.C., Chicago, Detroit, Los Angles, etc., and you will see some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country today. Yet, these places also have the highest violent crime rates in the country. Municipal goverments have a terrible track record when trying to deal with the common problems of infrastructure, loss of businesses, decay (Philadelphia had such a severe problem of buildings collapsing that the mayor had to form a task force) and shrinking revenues. The thought of a local goverment restricting an individual's rights because of an ill-concieved idea on the part of politicans is down-right scary. Try to smoke, eat, or talk on a cell phone in any major city. And all in the name of "Public Safety".
    The state gun laws of Pennsylvania cover the whole state, not just Philadelphia (something conveniently forgotten by urban residents). And the laws of each state should be left up to that state's governing body. I don't want California or New York or Maryland to tell me what I can and can't do in my state, nor do I want Philadelphia or Newark or Seattle to force their will on me."
     
  15. fast200

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    Let me throw this out there.

    You are correct in that crime isn't generally committed by legal firearm owners.

    But don't we have a problem with straw purchases and gun thefts?


    For the sake of discussion, would you support tough gun laws throwing people in jail or requiring severe fines for not taking responsibility for their own firearms?

    Laws like these would preserve the low barrier for ownership while placing some responsibility on the gun owners themselves.

    Keep in mind I am not endorsing these ideas, but simply throwing it out there for discussion.
     
  16. General Geoff

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    They talk about "gun crime," when it's actually what all other crime is: People crime.
     
  17. ilcylic

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    Wow. The other comments to that piece are just... disgusting.
     
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    Well, they caught a guy that they think was the shooter, and guess what?? He is one of the many, many felons who have been in and out of prison so often it is ridiculous.

    Maybe what we need is criminal control.
     
  19. HowardC

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    Ever hear of......

    .... the gerbil syndrome?

    Every cage of animals my children had during their growing up years experienced the same phenomena:

    When the population of the cage reached a certain point, the animals therein started killing/eating other cage mates. Usually the younger, but sometimes, just other animals.

    What can I say........................... ?

    -HowardC
     
  20. 230RN
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    Romak IV said,

    A significant point which bears repeating. I thought home rule cities had clauses in their charters such that they would observe the State and Federal Constitutions.

    Well, maybe not, and that's why some cities are referred to as People's Republics.

    And why there seems to be an inverse relationship between population density and freedom.
     
  21. ROMAK IV

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    Denver is a "home rule" city and DC is supposed to be and so they claim. It is just an excuse to set up little "people's republics" as owning a gun id Denver can become hazardous. The police departments in the above cities will arrest you for gun violations, and even if you eventually win, it will cost you dearly.
     
  22. devilc

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    No CCW in Denver? Really?
    They aught to post signs. . . .
     
  23. shooter94

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    Let me throw this out there.

    I'm from California...the State with the toughest gun laws in the Nation. Get yourself a copy of "The California Penal Code." Check out the section called "The dangerous weapons control act of 2007." In it, you'll find the ideas you've mentioned have been instituted into codified law in California. Yesterday, a man was shot dead in his drive way in Santa Ana CA. Check "The Los Angeles Times" and "The Orange County Register" and track the murders for a week. You'll find that despite all the guncontrol being passed, it's ineffectual.

    The big lie proponants tell you is guncontrol will cure crime. We all know guncontrol is only effective as a tool for convicting those who have been caught in a criminal act. Guncontrol is a reactive tool, NOT a proactive tool.
     
  24. XD-40 Shooter

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    More propoganda from the Communist News Network

    Colorado has pre-emption, Denver CANNOT ban CCW. They tried to sue the state on this point and lost the case. Denver can, however, ban assault weapons and carry in city parks. Denver also tried to ban car carry of firearms, but with pre-emption, Denver lost again.

    Now to the propoganda piece by Randi Kay, god I love these talking head, ignorant bimbo's who don't know a damn thing about what they are discussing, (sarcasm). I would like to see the statistic that show's concealed carry permit holders are committing murders, we will never see it, BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ONE! I'm very disappointed in Anderson Cooper not challenging her on these flagrant lies. Randi Kay says "AK-47's are flooding the streets". Really??? Lets see the weapon's confiscation room at the Philly PD, I'm willing to bet there are only a few AK's in there, and a boatload of Glock's.:neener: Randi Kay says "guns are as easy to obtain as a pizza". Really??? In order for me to obtain a CCW permit in my state, I have to A) apply at the sheriff's office, B) pay an initial $100 fee, C) go through an FBI and state background check, D) wait three weeks, and then I get my permit. I have to go through a background check to buy a gun, we all do. For the drug dealer's and gang bangers, yes, they can get guns pretty much on a whim, despite any law you might pass, they laugh at gun laws. Randi Kay says the police aren't allowed to ask why someone wants a concealed carry permit. I say its none of their damn business! Whats a person gonna say, yes officer, I want this permit so I can go kill someone.:rolleyes: What a bunch of ignorant, emotional, morons. She also advocated for licensing and registration, as if the criminals are going to register theirs!:rolleyes: Idiots!

    This kind of pure propogandist, alarmist, misleading reporting on the gun issue really pisses me off.
     
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