Nothing political- just testing some .22 LR ammo.

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Several weeks ago someone posted a question asking what the optimum barrel length would be for the .22 Long Rifle cartridge. I believe he wondered if some .22 rifles might have barrels so long that the bullets actually started to slow down after reaching peak velocity at some shorter length.

I thought this was a good question so I went out to the range today with 5 different .22 caliber firearms, 4 different brands of ammo and the old chronograph.

The guns were a Ruger 10/22 with an 18” barrel, a Taurus Model 62 clone with a 20” barrel, a Marlin Model 39 with a 24” barrel, a Martini target rifle with a 29” barrel, and just for fun I dragged along a Ruger MK II (I think that’s the model) with a 7” barrel. OK, it’s really a 6.875” barrel but 7” is easier to type.

Ammo included some Remington bulk pack copper plated 40 grain HPs, Peters 40 grain lead, Aguila Hyper-Velocity 30 grain solids, and CCI Mini-Mag 40 grain solids.

I realize the best test would be from the same gun and same barrel, but that would require starting with a long barrel and chopping it off bit by bit and I really wasn’t prepared to do that. We’ll just have to make do with using the different guns.

All listed velocities are an average for 3 rounds.

......................7”............18”..........20”..........24”...........29”
Remington:.....1082..........1181.......1189.........1206........1162

Peters:...........1092..........1181.......1219.........1216........1189

Aguila: ...........1547..........1657.......1771.........1731........1734

CCI:...............1082..........1139........1171.........1193........1128

All four brands of ammo peaked in either the 20 or 24” barrel and velocities had fallen off when clocked from the Martini’s 29” tube indicating that the bullets were indeed slowing down. However, it’s interesting that with all but one brand of ammo (the Aguila being the odd one showing over 100 FPS increase when going from the 18 to the 20) the velocities were amazingly similar from all of the rifles and the variations would be insignificant in terms of real-world performance.

Apparently, a rifle’s barrel length is nearly meaningless in terms of velocity for the .22 Long Rifle cartridge. So, pick the barrel length that suits your taste because the ammo won’t care much.

See, nothing in the least bit political.
 
Truthfully I believe your experiment is comparing apple to oranges. Although I am sure that you had fun doing it. :D There are significant differences in velocities from one gun to the next off of the same production line. This does not even consider the variations induced by different designs different rifling styles, minor differences in acceptable bore diameter locked breach or auto loader. The best way to prove the optimal barrel length for velocity, for a particular barrel design, would be to take a long blank and gradually cut and recrown every inch or so from long to as short as Uncle will let you go and not maufacture a SBR. I recall reading about this experiment in one of the gun rags some years ago and as I recall the optimal barrel length was in the 18" to 20 " range depending on the specific ammunition.
 
It never fails. I try to do something serious in the way of testing theories and somebody comes along and calls it meaningless. Meanwhile, everyone his dog and his brother will go along with myths and old wives tales and never raise a question regarding their validity.

I stated that the test was less than perfect, but given the consistency of the results among all the participating guns and ammunitions I think we can draw some conclusions. Or not. Or who cares? Not I any longer. Sorry I posted this.
 
Good info Saxon! I'll take real world data any day of the week.

If you do any more tests I wonder what the Federal bulk packs shoot like. :cool:
 
Thanks for sharing this info with us, I found it interesting. Be interesting to add a 10, 12 or 14 inch Contender and a rifle of 16" too.
 
SaxonPig,
I'm glad you did that. Thanks for going to the trouble. :)
I have a .22 with a 16" bbl and was wondering how badly the velocity was suffering because of it. One of these days I'd like to get a chrony and add to your data with it (It's a Davey Crickett of all things).:eek:
 
SaxonPig don't let someone else get you down. There are many of us who appreciate your effort and learned from your results. It takes people like you to do the real world experiments that help the rest of us gain a better understanding of the big picture.

Keep up the good work, and thanks,
 
I shoot matches with my modified 10-22 against 'real' target guns. I get about 3" less drop going from 50 to 100 yards than they do with their 26" barrels.

- Sig
 
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.....I realize the best test would be from the same gun and same barrel, but that would require starting with a long barrel and chopping it off bit by bit .....
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This was done by a guy 6-7 yrs ago (I *think* he posted results on rimfirecentral.com). Sorry, no link, just going from memory. He chopped a rifle in one inch increments, re-crowned, then ran it over the chrono. Not sure if he tried different ammo like you did. IIRC, his particular gun showed the highest velocity at around 16". Your test using different guns of varying bbl lengths shows a longer bbl length to shoot faster. Thanks for the interesting experiment and all of the work.

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I think he did a good job. Not everyone can have a rifle to chop up to do a test like this. Plus How many people do you know have a rifle with a 16", 18" 20" 24" 29" barrel? So really in fact using different actions and firearms types is a good thing. Everyone knows that you are going to get varation between a revolver with a 2" barrel and a bolt action with a 22" barrel. This gives someone that was wondering a base line to look at.

I always heard the 18" was best length for a 22lr.

Saxton goo job man.
 
"as I recall the optimal barrel length was in the 18" to 20 " range depending on the specific ammunition."

Maybe if all you're looking for is maximum velocity, but bullets are typically more accurate if kept below the speed of sound, so a long barrel could provide optimal accuracy.

John
 
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