November 2003 Virtual Match for THR Members

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A virtual variation on NRA Bullseye Pistol.

NRA Bullseye is the granddaddy of pistol competition. You shoot standing, unaided, ONE-HANDED. Competitors typically stand sideways and place their off-hand in their pants pocket. The original courses of fire were designed for shooters to master Civilian (.22lr), Police (.38 spl) and Military (.45 ACP) pistol shooting.

We'll shoot the three slowfire stages at 50 feet to allow for indoor shooting. I could only find a .pdf file of the NRA's official 50 yard target, so we'll have a little bit more target to shoot than the real deal.

Target: http://www.tackdriver.com/pix0703/nra50sf.pdf

Stage 1 -- Civilian -- .22 caliber rimfire -- 10 Shots slowfire. 50 feet. 100 points maximum. One-handed. Standing. No time limit.

Stage 2 -- Law Enforcement -- Centerfire, any centerfire caliber. You can use your .45 ACP 1911 here. 10 Shots slowfire. 50 feet. 100 points maximum. One-handed. Standing. No time limit.

Stage 3 -- Military -- .45 ACP Caliber. 10 Shots slowfire. 50 feet. 100 points maximum. One-handed. Standing. No time limit.

Total possible 300-30x

Classes:

1. Hard Ball -- All pistols in each stage are standard, out of the box. The military stage is shot with 230 grain, full metal jacket, round nose bullet ammo out of a standard military 1911 with no improvements in trigger, grips, barrel, barrel bushing, etc. The fore strap and rear of the grip may be covered with non-slip adhesive tape. Fixed sites on the .45, but scopes allowed in rimfire and centerfire stages.

2. Standard -- All stages use out of the box pistols with no improvements other than scopes or adjustable sites. Target ammo allowed. Scopes allowed.

3. Improved -- One or more stage uses a pistol with improved barrel, trigger, bushing, etc. or a pistol from a manufacturer with a guaranteed MOA. Target ammo allowed. Scopes allowed.

4. Open -- For those who do not have both a .22 and .45 pistol. Any pistol allowed in any stage.

Some excellent information on getting into and becoming successful at NRA Bullseye Pistol shooting is available here:

http://www.bullseyepistol.com/

And here is an excellent correction chart showing WHY you shoot where you do. Use this while you practice.

http://www.sportshooter.com/improving/images/correction_chart.gif

And here's a correction chart for you lefties:

http://www.sportshooter.com/improving/images/correctionchart_lefthanded.gif

Remember that you score in the higher ring when you break the line.

Post your results here or e-mail to: [email protected]

Be sure to wear ear and eye protection.

Ready on the Right! Ready on the Left! Ready on the Firing Line!

Shoot safely and good luck!
 
This sounds like a lot of fun, I know what I'm shooting:

Stage 1: Standard : Browning BuckMark 5.5 Nickel target with ProPoint 5.

Stage 2: Law Enforcement: Hard Ball : Taurus 669, 6" ported barrel, iron sights, shooting 38 special loads.

Stage 3: Military : Open : Glock 24P with JP Custom Doublering sights or Standard with Kamicosmos' new CZ-97B if he'll let me.

Am I classifying these correctly? Should I make any changes?

I also have a Desert Eagle that I chould shoot .44 Mag or .50 AE, although I prefer the triggers on my other guns. .50 AE for the Law Enforcement or Military stages might be fun but 10 rounds one handed can get a little rough on the ole palm :D
 
Sorry on the confusion.

Each of us will enter in One Class only with three stages. Unless you shoot Open class, you need to shoot a .45 ACP in the 3rd stage. You need a very specific 1911 and ammo to shoot in the Hardball Class.

Hardball refers to shooting 230gr FMJ through a .45 ACP in the Military stage. It's a classification to encourage proficiency with the standard military issue .45 ammo and weapon. (I think they'll even GIVE you hardball ammo paid for by the NRA if you'll shoot it at an official match.)

The Military stage requires .45 ACP (I'm not sure what the official NRA's answer's been to that since the 9mm was adopted in 1985), so if you don't have a .45, you're in the Open class.

I hope that's clearer. From the guns you describe Black Snowman, you're in the Open Class.

Please everyone let me know if you have other questions.
 
Excellent choice for this month! I've always wanted to try Bullseye...and I just got a new .45! And (here comes the foot in the mouth part) I've been practicing one handed a bit recently, so this will be a good workout/test.

I plan on shooting the following:

Stage 1 -- Civilian -- .22 caliber rimfire
Ruger Mark II slabside with dot sight (I may take the dot scope off and use the irons though on this one)

Stage 2 -- Law Enforcement -- Centerfire, any centerfire caliber
Beretta 96FS .40 S&W

Stage 3 -- Military -- .45 ACP Caliber
CZ-97B

Class will be Standard.

Is this correct?
 
Kamicosmos -- Correct. I didn't realize CZ made a .45 ACP. So if Black Snowman shoots your CZ, he too would be in the Standard class.

I've always wanted to shoot NRA Bullseye Pistol also. I took a class, but I had something come up and I couldn't make the event the next day. There are a lot of clubs. My local club is very interested in new members. I suggest you check out local clubs and get out to an event or a seminar. Most Bullseye shooters seem to have an extra hardball gun they will loan to new competitors. Like most shooters, they are very open and friendly if you show interest in their sport.
 
The question is, where is my Ruger MK II? I think it might be in my dad's safe. I think for the second stage I will be using the Taurus PT92C instead of my Glock 27. And of course stage three will be the COlt 1911 Mark IV in .45 ACP.

If I want to shoot the hardball class, what kind of .22 ammo can I use? Are 240 gr. reloads fine for the .45 ACP? If I use target .22 ammo will that put me in the standard class? Can I shoot two or three classes this month? I would think you could shoot up to three classes. I would discourage the open class from anyone who can shoot the other three classes. Do you guys agree?

Depending on what .22 ammo I am allowed to use for hardball, I think I will shoot the hardball class and the standard class if ROTR allows it.
 
Good questions El Rojo. I was about to post the same ones.
The requirements for the .45 hardball ammo have been defined but what about for the other stages in hardball class?

I knew there was a reason I kept some of my guns unmodified. I might be able to do hardball class with my Norinco 1911, Security Six (in keeping with the original definition of the stages), and S&W M41.

Ugh - one handed. This could be ugly.
 
How about this for the hardball class?

Stage 1: CZ-Kadet - factory stock (also have a Ruger Single Six, also stock) Any ammo requirement for .22 in Hardball class?

Stage 2: S&W Model 28 Highway Patrolman - factory stock, .38 Special S&B 158gr. FMJ (Could shoot a factory stock Colt CCO with the ammo below instead)

Stage 3: All Original, WWII Spec 1911A1 with itty bitty sights. (factory stock Sistema actually), 45ACP S&B 230gr. FMJ

Am I correct about the Sistema for Stage 3/Hardball, or would the CCO be legal with 230gr. FMJ ammo?
 
November's Match

ROTR,
Good weather for this type of match. The sweat doesn't run in your eyes as much in November. I am looking forward to this as an old (OLD) bullseye shooter. It would really be neat, as a future match, to have this same protocol but limit it to revolvers only. Unless someone has a K-22, K-38 and a 1955 model Smith (I have none of these), or the Colt equivilents, it should be a real mish-mash of wheelguns, pulling out some guns from WAY back of the safe. Quantrill
 
The requirements for the .45 hardball ammo have been defined but what about for the other stages in hardball class

Unless someone knows the official hardball rules, I would say that the other two stages in the Hardball class are open to any non-improved .22 and centerfire pistol using match, reloaded or regular ammo.

Can I shoot two or three classes this month?

I'll rescind my earlier rule and allow everyone to shoot in up to 3 classes as El Rojo suggests. The open class is still only for those who can't shoot in any other.

DMK -- Is the CCO a military Colt? If not I'd say use the Sistema. That's what I'm using.

They all fall to the Hardball! It looks like that's going to be a popular class.
 
all i got for this is,,,

.22 ruger target model with red dot

and

my 9mm hi power, no scope

where and what can i shoot?

sorry no .45,,,
 
Uh, isn't that a 50-yard center? And we're shooting it at 50 FEET!?!?!?

Fine. I get flinchy on timed and rapid anyway.:uhoh: Been almost a year since I practiced this anyway. Maybe I'll actually send in a target this time.:D
 
me again,,,

my computer refuses to open the targets or print anymore

(just had it "fixed" too:fire: )

so if i just use NRA 50 yd smallbore targets will i be on the right track??

ahhh, modern technology,,,to love it or hate it,,,i don't know

both i guess...

m
 
So, if I drop a shot outside the black on the 50 Yard Slow Fire target, I get seven, correct?

What if I drop one outside the rings but keep it on the paper?
I'm guessing I get zero for that, but I would take a six. :)
 
280PLUS:
It's the NRA B-6 pistola target, 50-yard slow fire. Black goes out to the 8-inch 8-ring (same size as the 10 in the NRA Action Pistol "R2D2" target), and the 10-ring is about 3 inches.

See why Bullseye shooters want guns that shoot 1-inch groups at 25 yards?:neener: :neener:

First practice was a 95-3x with the .45 and 94-1x with the 9mm. I wouldn't be ashamed if I did that at 50 yards.:uhoh:
 
Uh, isn't that a 50-yard center? And we're shooting it at 50 FEET!?!?!?

Grump is correct on the target - NRA B-6. I got tired of looking for the right target in .pdf. This is all for fun anyway.

Completely outside the rings is a zero. Remember to count the highest ring you break a line into.

So Grump -- when you do this for real, you'll not revert to your practice targets -- correct?:) Nice shooting!
 
Here are my Nov. scores. Some of the stages were shot indoors last Thursday and some outside today after we got a break in the weather.

Hardball
Smith M18 .22 with Thunderbolt ammo
99 4X

Smith M28 with 125 grain Rem/UMC 125 grain semi-jacketed .38s.
76 1X

Colt 1991A1 Commander with Hardball Equiv 230 grain FMJ reloads.
86 0X
Total: 261 5X

Standard
Colt New Frontier .22 with Wolf Match Target ammo.
83 1X

Smith Model 28 with .357 reloads, 158 grain LSWC.
97 4X

Colt 1991A1 Commander with 200 grain SWC target reloads.
92 4X
Total: 272 9X

Improved
Ruger Mark II .22 with Wolf Match Target ammo.
99 4X

Smith M28 with .357 reloads as above.
92 2X

Para Ord Custom Pin Gun with Hardball Equiv reloads.
90 2x
Total: 281 8X
 
OK. Shot my targets today. Didn't do too bad. I placed them as Standard class but if ROTR thinks they belong in open that's fine too.

I shot the civilian target with an H&R 999 I inherited from my grandfather. He bought it when he returned from France in 1945. It's a neat top break revolver. I'd love to have it restored to original condition but it would probably be cheaper to buy the modern version of the same gun.
Score 99/100-5X

Shot the law enforcement with my Sig Saur 226. This was my first issued pistol (recently purchased when the department went to Glocks).
Score 95/100-4X

Shot the military with my beloved Witness.
Score 98/100-4X

Composite score 292/300-13X

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