Noveske vs. Colt 6920/40

[Girodin]

the noveske has quite a few superior features. again, it all depends on whether or not those things are interesting to you.

This is a good point the novekse that most closely compares to a 6920 is a 16" Light Recce, BASIC. This gun: http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bi...&cat=138&page=1&search=&since=&status=&title=

It costs just under $1600. The 6920 picture below cost around $1200.

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However, that price difference evaporates a bit with all the improved parts on the Novekse.

Look at the following on each:

The stock (noveske has a Vltor Imod)

The pistol grip (A2 grip versus the Noveske's Tango down)

The flash hider (A2 verus a vortex on the Noveske)

The rear sight (A2 carry handle versus a $100 or so folding troy battle sight on the Noveske)

End plate (the Novekse has their QD end plate)

Charging handle (The Noveske has a gun fighter charging handle)

If I bought the colt I would be replacing the grip, and the carry handle for sure. I prefer a vortex to A2, and would likely change out the stock on the Colt. I'd also be changing the end plate to something that allowed me to use a single point sling there. A decent amount of the $400 difference is accounted for right there.

In addition the Novekse has a mid length gas system and a better barrel.

Again both are good guns, to me it is $400 extra well spent. However, as I said before you can buy just the upper and and put it on an assembled lower and do it for $1200 and probably less and have a gun that functionally is just as good as if you'd bought a complete rifle.

 

[Warp]

^^As long as the lower you put it on is good to go.

 

[Harley Rider 55]

I went Daniel Defense and am VERY happy with my choice. The 1:7 twist barrel sold me.

 

[JustinJ]

Again both are good guns, to me it is $400 extra well spent.

The Colt can be had for $950 if one shops around. If so inclined a Colt owner could sell his stock and carry handle to offset a good bit of the cost for "upgrading". The flash hider, grip and charging handle aren't that much to begin with. Converting to midlength may not even be that much if one sold the Colt barrel but at that point one is much better off just getting something else.

If it were me i'd probably just get one from BCM in the configuration desired for the best deal.

I bought a Colt 6720 and spent a lot upgrading to the way i wanted but could have saved quite a bit just buying from BCM. Of course it then wouldn't have the Colt Rollmark. To be honest the receivers and barrel are really just about the only thing left on that thing that are Colt. I eventually even upgraded to a NP3 bolt, carrier and hammer.

Honestly i agree the Noveske is a nice gun but i consider that price ridiculous. For 1600 there should at least be a decent free float rail included.

 

[Welding Rod]

Is the standard trigger on a Noveske any better than on the Colt's traditionally heavy, creeping, and sometimes girtty trigger break?

If the Noveske has a good one, there may be some significiant value there too.

 

[Girodin]

The Colt can be had for $950 if one shops around.

Do you have a link to a place that is currently selling them for that. The cheapest I could find is $995. At any rate I was able to purchase the pictured novekse upper for $700 so I was under that $950 when I put it on a lower I assembled. I was right about $1K when I added an upgraded stock (CTR). For $50 more I'll take the Noveske upper gun. That's just me though.

A BCM is a good gun. I'd happily own one. I'm planning an SBR right now and trying to decide if I want to get another Noveske upper or a BCM.

 

[Warp]

Do you have a link to a place that is currently selling them for that. The cheapest I could find is $995. At any rate I was able to purchase the pictured novekse upper for $700 so I was under that $950 when I put it on a lower I assembled. I was right about $1K when I added an upgraded stock (CTR). For $50 more I'll take the Noveske upper gun. That's just me though.

A BCM is a good gun. I'd happily own one. I'm planning an SBR right now and trying to decide if I want to get another Noveske upper or a BCM.

I am also interested. I haven't seen a Colt for $950 in a long time. $995 at DSG has been the best deal going when they are in stock (a lot of the time, but not always)

 

[surfinUSA]

Noveske makes a nice rifle. But unless they have features I want that Colt doesn't offer and I can't install for a similar price,I'm going with Colt.

Resale wise, you'll probably do better with Colt also. Not everyone is an AR15 expert.

 

[Girodin]

But unless they have features I want that Colt doesn't offer and I can't install for a similar price,I'm going with Colt.

Like a match grade barrel?

 

[-v-]

I'd go with Noveske as well. Both are solid guns, but everything the 69xx series does, the Noveske does better. For what its worth, I built my Noveske off of their 18" SS Rogue hunter upper with a Spikes lower for just around $1300 and that's with a $1k upper. For a $825 upper, I think you could easily put together a nice lower for $250ish, and come out about $100 over what a Colt goes for.

Remember, one thing you are saving on by building it yourself is the hefty excise tax that is levied on all firearms. Thus, paying tax (18%?) on a $80 lower comes out to much less then on a $1000 rifle. The finished rifle is quite literally more expensive then the sum of all its parts, but we all like having protected wildlife areas to hunt in, right?

 

[CountryUgly]

I'd go Colt... Well I did go Colt and don't regret it for a second. They have been building the industry standard for decades and pretty well have it figured out. I'm sure the other is a fine gun but do they really have the battle, competitive and just plain range fun proven record that Colt does. I don't think so When these other so called "high end" makers have 40 years of track record in war,competition and sporting field use to show then maybe they can claim to be king of the hill but as for now Colt is really the only one with that claim

 

[meanmrmustard]

Noveske makes a nice rifle. But unless they have features I want that Colt doesn't offer and I can't install for a similar price,I'm going with Colt.

Resale wise, you'll probably do better with Colt also. Not everyone is an AR15 expert.

But, people are now more Internet savvy than ever, and can easily research the catalogs of both manufacturers and make a decision based on bang for buck factor.

That being said, even those who aren't AR15 buffs are going to see the Noveske beginning to pull away.

 

[Powderman]

I doubt very many people would take the colt

Really?

Since Colt is the company that OWNS the Technical Data Package for the AR rifle, why would people not choose the Colt rifle?

Here is the fact, whether folks like it or not: There is ONE AR15 rifle, and that is manufactured by Colt. The rest are copies. Period.

Moreover, if someone says that their rifle is "mil-spec", unless it is a select fire it is NOT.

The CLOSEST rifle that approaches the Colt for quality of manufacture is the BCM. They are (for instance) the only company that, to my knowledge, uses Mil-11595E (Carpenter) steel for the barrel, extension and the carrier. This is a superior strength alloy for the purpose.

Colt and BCM are the ONLY ones to my knowledge that properly stakes the carrier key. And no, a stab crimp does NOT make a proper staking.

Do others make a good product? Of course they do--and they do a good job as far as I can see. But let's be real.

Colt is the manufacturer--other companies do copy it and call it something else. Colt purchased the original rights and TDP from Fairchild Aircraft Corporation. They still own it.

 

[meanmrmustard]

^ Superior strength alloy? You've never heard of 9130, have you.

 

[Rubber_Duck]

Powderman,

There are other companies manufacturing AR-15s to the same spec as Colt, Daniel Defense and LMT are noted examples. They are not all the same, for example LMT uses straight roll pins instead of tapered to secure the FSB, and they do not "F mark" it, though it is the correct height for a carbine. But the quality is there, and even companies that do not adhere to the same materials and testing as Colt or BCM are properly staking the gas keys nowadays. Knight's Armament is a perfect example of a company deviating from the TDP and creating a high-quality product nonetheless.

And I will call my BCM mil-spec even though it is not select-fire. That doesn't make it mil-spec. It's about the specifications, materials, and testing, not how many holes are drilled in your lower. How many registered receiver NFA lowers do you think are out there with non-mil-spec uppers on them?

 

[taliv]

people would choose other than colt for many reasons:

"mil-spec" as defined in the TDP is a minimum, and is actually pretty easy to exceed in a lot of ways (just not for under $1000)

lots of people are still salty about the company's intentional anti-civilian crap they've pulled, like the large pins, shelves, etc.

their customer service leaves a lot to be desired

etc.

for years people have been buying their rifles and upgrading half the parts; adding rails, changing stocks, changing trigger, changing muzzle device, etc. it's really only been very recently that you could get a colt with middy gas, or a decent stock/grip (e.g. magpul) from the factory

 

[Warp]

people would choose other than colt for many reasons:

"mil-spec" as defined in the TDP is a minimum, and is actually pretty easy to exceed in a lot of ways (just not for under $1000)

lots of people are still salty about the company's intentional anti-civilian crap they've pulled, like the large pins, shelves, etc.

their customer service leaves a lot to be desired

etc.

for years people have been buying their rifles and upgrading half the parts; adding rails, changing stocks, changing trigger, changing muzzle device, etc. it's really only been very recently that you could get a colt with middy gas, or a decent stock/grip (e.g. magpul) from the factory

How were the large pins anti-civilian?

 

[bruzer]

Noveske is made in my home town so Noveske gets my vote. Some day I hope to own one.
Good luck and stay safe,
Mike

 

[meanmrmustard]

How were the large pins anti-civilian?

Proprietary pin size?

 

[JustinJ]

I am also interested. I haven't seen a Colt for $950 in a long time. $995 at DSG has been the best deal going when they are in stock (a lot of the time, but not always)

Last week at my LGS i thought i saw the 6920 for $950 but their website says $995 so either i was looking at the wrong price or the website lists a different price.

 

[Warp]

Proprietary pin size?

How is that anti-civilian?

What I recall reading is that Colt used a different pin size so that people wouldn't put a cheap-o upper on a Colt lower, have problems, and give Colt a bad name when people saw their logo on the lower and assumed the whole rifle was a Colt. That definitely does not seem "anti civilian" to me...although a lot of people parrot that without an actual understanding of what happened, and why.

So I'm wondering if there is something that I am missing regarding pin sizes that would make them "anti civilian"

 

[Powderman]

lots of people are still salty about the company's intentional anti-civilian crap they've pulled, like the large pins, shelves, etc.

Not familiar with what you mean by "shelves".

If you are referencing what I think you are, you're talking about the part that has been filled in, in back of the trigger group. This was done for a reason--and that is to prevent easy conversion to select fire by adding the M16 parts after drilling a hole for the auto sear. This was not an anti-civilian move--it was to ensure that the rifles could be sold to civilians.

Any AR15 semi receiver can be converted to full auto by a Class 07 SOT/manufacturer with the knowledge of proper dimensions and the proper tooling. Of course, you still have to have the proper parts for the lower.

 

[Powderman]

They are not all the same, for example LMT uses straight roll pins instead of tapered to secure the FSB, and they do not "F mark" it,

I think you meant solid pins, right? The only roll pin in the frons sight base is the one used to secure the gas tube.

 

[meanmrmustard]

How is that anti-civilian?

What I recall reading is that Colt used a different pin size so that people wouldn't put a cheap-o upper on a Colt lower, have problems, and give Colt a bad name when people saw their logo on the lower and assumed the whole rifle was a Colt. That definitely does not seem "anti civilian" to me...although a lot of people parrot that without an actual understanding of what happened, and why.

So I'm wondering if there is something that I am missing regarding pin sizes that would make them "anti civilian"

Not so much "anti" as "non plug and play", making it difficult to swap uppers and what not. That, to me, is making things difficult for a civie to adapt. We have the oppurtunity to change things by swapping uppers and lowers, but not when pins don't match. Vis a vi, anti civilian.

 

[-v-]

If you are referencing what I think you are, you're talking about the part that has been filled in, in back of the trigger group. This was done for a reason--and that is to prevent easy conversion to select fire by adding the M16 parts after drilling a hole for the auto sear. This was not an anti-civilian move--it was to ensure that the rifles could be sold to civilians.

You're right. The manufacturers should protect us from being able to modify our rifles into something that may be illegal. I also propose colt permanently attach a 4 round magazine to their lowers, and also remove the gas tubes from all their rifles, so that we can't make it select fire by grinding the sear or load it with more then the government's prescribed maximum number of rounds in the government prescribed caliber.