Bull foogin sh*t.
You, sir, have never killed a copperhead or rattler (the only ones you should kill) with a stick. Flat-bladed shovel, maybe...
Sorry, it's just crap. Don't encourage people to attempt to do something that's just stupid.
Les
NRA Article - Taurus Judge
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Bull foogin sh*t.
You, sir, have never killed a copperhead or rattler (the only ones you should kill) with a stick. Flat-bladed shovel, maybe...
Sorry, it's just crap. Don't encourage people to attempt to do something that's just stupid.
Les
Many years ago I was talking hunting with one of those old guys who had tried and done about everything. He told me about an old 45 DA revolver that an uncle had cut off 410 shells to fit the chamber length. They used that gun for snakes and occasionally for small game. Wouldn't recommend it (he didn't either) but the point is it performed for them.....
bedwards1
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The gun will do what is advertised. Sure, many don't need (want) it. I have no need for milspec rifle, but I wish I had the money to own one. I do own a Judge and enjoy shooting it. That's what its all about. It will put 45 colt on paper at 50 yds, 000 buck at 25 yds, and #6 or #8 at 10 yards. Its by my bed with 000buck and 45 gold dots now. What more could you ask. Why is everyone so impassioned?
Dan Crocker
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How did they get around the shorty shotgun law with this? Is a .410 not considered a shotgun round? It sounds like a revolver, chambered in .410 that can also fire .45 long colt (since the chamber is so long,) so how did it end up being classified as a handgun and not a 'multi-bullet street-sweeping death machine shotgun?' Designed to kill cops, firemen, ambulances, puppies, and orphans, of course.
Rifled barrel?
I figure the shorty-shotgun objection will probably put the Judge high on any ban list. That's why I bought two of them. I'm not saying anyone else should, and those that pan these things, please DON"T buy one. Fixes your problem.
Les
Dan Crocker
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I thought it had a smoothbore specifically to allow it to shoot the .410?
I own one and like it!!
Dan Crocker
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cool. I guess that would be why then!
Vern Humphrey
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Years ago, there was a bit of a fad for taking old revolvers (a lot of M1917s were ruined that way) and reaming out the bores so they could fire shot loads. ATF ruled those were sawed-off shotguns, but if the barrels were left rifled, they were merely revolvers whose owners occasionally fired shot loads.
Taurus is going under that rule -- smoothbore = shotgun. Rifled barrel = not a shotgun.
Virginian
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I think a lot of you are completely missing the point. Taurus is in business to make money. This gun is doing that, big time. They don't care how useful it is, as a revolver or a shotgun. I don't think it is only aimed at experienced and knowledgeable gun people. It is a gimmick. It is selling well by all accounts.
I applaud any gun company for coming up with anything new that sells in this day and age, whether I like it or not. Sounds like maybe their employees can sleep sounder than those of the geniuses who dreamed up the .460 and the .327 Magnums.
I can not offer any hands on report. Soon as I saw it I knew I didn't have the slightest desire for one, if it was given to me. But, I feel exactly the same way about a ton of black semi autos, and more than a few wheelguns too.
I applaud any gun company for coming up with anything new that sells in this day and age, whether I like it or not. Sounds like maybe their employees can sleep sounder than those of the geniuses who dreamed up the .460 and the .327 Magnums.
I can not offer any hands on report. Soon as I saw it I knew I didn't have the slightest desire for one, if it was given to me. But, I feel exactly the same way about a ton of black semi autos, and more than a few wheelguns too.
WardenWolf
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How many times is this thread going to be necroed?
The way the Judge works is this: there is a tiny bit of rifling in the barrel, but not very much. When shooting .45 rounds, your accuracy is going to be nil past a short distance. It's primarily a shotgun. It's accurate enough for point-blank defense, and powerful with the .45 load, but it's optimized for the .410 load.
On a related note, imagine my surprise when I was going through my late grandfather's things and found his Smith & Wesson model 10-5. In the box, with it, was a bag of CCI .38 shotshells. I don't think he ever fired any of them, and the revolver is practically unused, but I was surprised to find he had something like that.
The way the Judge works is this: there is a tiny bit of rifling in the barrel, but not very much. When shooting .45 rounds, your accuracy is going to be nil past a short distance. It's primarily a shotgun. It's accurate enough for point-blank defense, and powerful with the .45 load, but it's optimized for the .410 load.
On a related note, imagine my surprise when I was going through my late grandfather's things and found his Smith & Wesson model 10-5. In the box, with it, was a bag of CCI .38 shotshells. I don't think he ever fired any of them, and the revolver is practically unused, but I was surprised to find he had something like that.
Most obvious point: the Judge makes no sense unless you load with at least one or two shot shells.
Whether it makes sense as an HD weapon depends on who the bad guy is.
If he's burglar looking for your wallet and the family silver, he is going to be scared off by the sight of any shiny handgun, and the Judge has the advantage that if you do feel that he needs the extra encouragement of having the thing fired at him, you are probably not going to kill him.
On the other hand, if the intruder is a hard-core, home invader who needs killing, you are going to have to fire off the shotsell warning rounds and hope you hit the guy with your remaining bullets. Not the best choice, but a long way from nothing.
Whether it makes sense as an HD weapon depends on who the bad guy is.
If he's burglar looking for your wallet and the family silver, he is going to be scared off by the sight of any shiny handgun, and the Judge has the advantage that if you do feel that he needs the extra encouragement of having the thing fired at him, you are probably not going to kill him.
On the other hand, if the intruder is a hard-core, home invader who needs killing, you are going to have to fire off the shotsell warning rounds and hope you hit the guy with your remaining bullets. Not the best choice, but a long way from nothing.
Lou McGopher
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Not a gimmick
I wouldn't bother loading this with 45LC. The purpose of this gun is to fire the .410. The ability to fire 45LC could perhaps be seen as a minor bonus, since it just happens to fit, but I wouldn't recommend getting it for that.
Federal makes 000 and #4 buck cartridges for this.
This gun is for close-range self defense, period. Loaded with 000 or #4, it will do the job just fine.
Remember, pistols don't have the power or range that rifles do. You give up a lot in order to have something in a smaller package. But no one says pistols are useless.
If you want to fire buckshot, but need something smaller than a shotgun, this will fit the bill, as long as you don't expect it to have the power of magnum shells or the accuracy of a 28" choked barrel.
For people who live in an apartment building, or have a cramped house, narrow hallways, etc, this is a very decent gun. It is a very decent gun to keep in the car or truck. Although wouldn't be my first choice, it can be okay for a carry gun, as long as you don't worry much about concealment.
I wouldn't bother loading this with 45LC. The purpose of this gun is to fire the .410. The ability to fire 45LC could perhaps be seen as a minor bonus, since it just happens to fit, but I wouldn't recommend getting it for that.
Federal makes 000 and #4 buck cartridges for this.
This gun is for close-range self defense, period. Loaded with 000 or #4, it will do the job just fine.
Remember, pistols don't have the power or range that rifles do. You give up a lot in order to have something in a smaller package. But no one says pistols are useless.
If you want to fire buckshot, but need something smaller than a shotgun, this will fit the bill, as long as you don't expect it to have the power of magnum shells or the accuracy of a 28" choked barrel.
For people who live in an apartment building, or have a cramped house, narrow hallways, etc, this is a very decent gun. It is a very decent gun to keep in the car or truck. Although wouldn't be my first choice, it can be okay for a carry gun, as long as you don't worry much about concealment.
You don't know me from Adam's house cat, how in the hell do you know if I have killed snakes with a stick or not? I have a 6 foot diamond back rattler I killed with a stick in Airazona a few years ago, I mounted the skin on a board to show my buddies. I have killed several copper heads on my land in West Virginia. One strike to the head was all it took. Not a stunt and not stupid either.
Either your slow or scared pick one.
Sure the 45 Colts in the Taurus Judge is not intended for hunting accuracy. But I got the bust accuracy with them in mine. Better than the 410 slugs and Buckshot. Read my report on page 2.
Ballistic's of the 45 Colt is far superior that the 410 slug or buck shot.
My Judge is loaded with the 410 shotshell as my first shot followed by 4 of the 45 Colts.
Don't knock it til you try it.
I don't have a Judge, I have a Thunder Five (like used in the Three Kings movie) with both the .45-70 and .45/.410 cylinders. Lots of fun to shoot. I originally bought it because it was a good deal, but it has it's purpose now. It's loaded with .410 shot and slugs. I'll be getting some .45lc for it soon
I don't have a Judge, I have a Thunder Five (like used in the Three Kings movie) with both the .45-70 and .45/.410 cylinders. Lots of fun to shoot. I originally bought it because it was a good deal, but it has it's purpose now. It's loaded with .410 shot and slugs. I'll be getting some .45lc for it soon
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It seems to me that a judge loaded with a 3" 410 Buckshot or slug load would pack quite a pop, as it would with a heavy 45LC load. I don't think it was really intended for hunting with, more or a less a self defense revolver, heck, I've had many a grouse get away back when I used a 410 shotgun to hunt them, I wouldn't want to try a 410 revolver, however firing at an intruder at 10 feet away in a house, with a buckshot or slug load....gotta hurt. My brother has had one on order for a few months with a 3" chamber, I bought him some 45's for it a while ago...some heavy stuff that outta be a real kick to shoot, corbon 335 grain +P HC loads, also, I'd dare to say those would also wreak havoc on a house intruder hit by one. He ordered the gun with the sole intention to use it as a home defense weapon, nothing more. My dealer says he has a bunch on back order, and if you wanted one, expect to wait 7 or 8 months at best, sounds like they are selling very well. The concept is cool, a big heavy, rugged, unique looking revolver that can fire shot gun shells, I wouldn't mind having one myself, but there are so many on my want list already....
BhmBill...a Thunder five? sweet! I wish they still made those, cool looking guns, the thunder five has been topic of many a conversation between me and one of my gun buddies. The last time I checked the the website it said "No more thunder fives"...bummer, I like the idea of being able to fire a 45/70 round out of it.
BhmBill...a Thunder five? sweet! I wish they still made those, cool looking guns, the thunder five has been topic of many a conversation between me and one of my gun buddies. The last time I checked the the website it said "No more thunder fives"...bummer, I like the idea of being able to fire a 45/70 round out of it.
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doc540
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Taurus Judge: answer to a question no one asked
doc540
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"Bull foogin sh*t.
You, sir, have never killed a copperhead or rattler (the only ones you should kill) with a stick. Flat-bladed shovel, maybe...
Sorry, it's just crap. Don't encourage people to attempt to do something that's just stupid."
I've caught fat, cotton-mouth water moccasins with a flag stick and my bare hands.
If anyone else is stupid enough to try it, don't blame me.
You, sir, have never killed a copperhead or rattler (the only ones you should kill) with a stick. Flat-bladed shovel, maybe...
Sorry, it's just crap. Don't encourage people to attempt to do something that's just stupid."
I've caught fat, cotton-mouth water moccasins with a flag stick and my bare hands.
If anyone else is stupid enough to try it, don't blame me.
MCgunner
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Killin' 'em with a garden hoe is quite easy. Don't need a handgun and can't fire it in town, anyway, which is the only place I really care if I kill it or not....in my yard.
On the topic of legality, the case Thompson Center vs US, the Supreme court held that the TC was legal, rifled, a .45 Colt It was also found that it had no other purpose than sporting use, which to me is a little troubling. As I recall, the language was in the decision. Sporting purpose is NOT the purpose of the second amendment. I'm not sure WHAT that wording had to do with the price of corn in Saskatoon.
I think the 3" judge makes a pretty decent defensive weapon for home or car defense when loaded with 5 .36 caliber 000 buck loads. I'm thinkin' of it as five rounds from Bill Hickock's navy colt hitting at once. That said, I'd as soon use my.38. I ain't gonna run out and buy a Judge because I think it's so devistating with shot loads.
I have .45s that I don't use for home defense. I tend to favor a .38 revolver.- Status
