NRA -- Could it become victim of a backdoor registration scheme?

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SwearNoAllegiance said:
...I don't think the NRA intends harm at all, I just think that they compromise, have harmed gun owners before,...
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There's a big difference between working in the real world and trying to make the best deal in the interests of gun owners reasonably possible in a difficult political climate and "harming gun owners." Indeed the harm to gun owners may have been greater in the absence of the NRA's efforts.

We live in a pluralistic, political society. Nobody gets everything he wants. Even the super rich pay taxes (really, they do), and they die just like the rest of us. He who insists on all or nothing will wind up with nothing.
 
Just my opinion, but: I don't insure my guns - period. Ever hear of the Patriot Act?
I don't support the NRA - GCA of 1968, 10 round mag ban, Brady Guncontrol Law. Anti's gave up nothing, we almost lost it all. I don't compromise!
 
I've been a member for years - maybe I am missing something - why would I tell them what guns I had?

Some kind of insurance?

Never heard of it and wouldn't bother.

And the Government doesn't need the NRA - they have my name many times over - who cares.

If it gets to the point that the Government is illegaling mining the NRA database, everyone who has ever posted on this board will have bigger problems.
 
NRA has never asked me about my firearms.

My insurance company that I have many under policy obviously has. Though the ATF knows and tracks many of my firearms and all of my suppressors by serial number so it does not matter. And those that I have bought through my FFL are easily identifiable and can be traced to the buyer as well.

Just remember we got to stick together against the liberal machine. If we don't we are toast. Join the NRA and vote.

:)
 
The point is that we are still playing catch up, when we should never have been in this place to begin with. 10 round mags were a compromise and we all know it.
 
I agree that NRA could be forced to turn over records.

BUT - administration officials have already publicly said that the gun purchase background check information are being given to a foreign government (presumably the British), so that they can comply with the requirement to destroy records while still having access to the records.

AND - credit card transactions are being kept and specifically used to assess bullet, magazine, and holster purchases that might point to not-recorded guns

SO - buy a long gun face-to-face cash if you want to exercise your right to have a gun the government doesn't know about. BUT - don't use the internet to find the gun seller, because email leaves a trail too.
 
To its opponents the NRA can do little or nothing that is right.

We all know there are many elitist cretins who mendaciously and maliciously or maybe ignorantly portray the NRA as extremist and as an enemy of all that is decent and moderate.

Not all viewpoints are equal.

A big part of the reason that we should never compromise is that the forces we are up against have proven time and time again that they are just flat wrong.

Let's not pretend people who are wrong so often are merely in honest disagreement with us, they may be entitled to their own opinions but when the facts consistently prove them wrong we need to look at those facts above their opinions.

I've never believed the other side when they claim they're only interested in just one more gun-control law. They ultimately want a total ban on weapons and only make incremental claims to disguise their real aims.

There is nothing subtle about what's at stake. Whoever has the arms tends to win when it comes to self-defense and doesn't lose life or property. But if the tyrant/criminal has the gun, he has the upper hand.
 
BUT - administration officials have already publicly said that the gun purchase background check information are being given to a foreign government (presumably the British), so that they can comply with the requirement to destroy records while still having access to the records.

AND - credit card transactions are being kept and specifically used to assess bullet, magazine, and holster purchases that might point to not-recorded guns
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Do you have some proof of this?
 
yokel said:
...Let's not pretend people who are wrong so often are merely in honest disagreement with us,...
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Recognize that at a point it's no longer about who is right or wrong. It becomes an exercise in raw power. You want clearer victories, few "backroom" deals, less compromise -- then double or triple the NRA's membership and show our economic strength. It's not about what's fair or right. It's about how much power we can bring to bear compared with our adversaries.
 
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BUT - administration officials have already publicly said that the gun purchase background check information are being given to a foreign government (presumably the British), so that they can comply with the requirement to destroy records while still having access to the records.

AND - credit card transactions are being kept and specifically used to assess bullet, magazine, and holster purchases that might point to not-recorded guns
Do you have some proof of this?
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Let's not reality get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.
 
It becomes an exercise in raw power.
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In this country the people have the guns. This gives them the ultimate power. That isn't the case in some places:

Robert Mugabe gave warning yesterday that he would not cede power if he loses next week’s election to the Opposition in his most explicit statement yet of his refusal to respect the result.

State-controlled media reported his comments to supporters at an election rally, the latest in a series of increasingly menacing threats as Zimbabwe counts down to the June 27 presidential run-off poll. Mr Mugabe’s military-backed regime has been carrying out a campaign of violence aimed at wiping out the opposition vote.

“We fought for this country, and a lot of blood was shed,” Mr Mugabe told his supporters. “We are not going to give up our country because of a mere X. How can a ballpoint fight with a gun?”

Good question. Ask that the next time someone tells you that we don't need the Second Amendment because we have the First Amendment.
 
"Revolution is a lousy and last resort. Got any better ideas like building and concentrating the gun lobby into something even more formidable?"

Nope. We've come too far down the wrong road. Time to start over. There are more issues to consider than just gun control.
 
Originally Posted by yokel
In this country the people have the guns. This gives them the ultimate power....
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Really? You must think that people in poverty stricken blighted areas are all powerful as so many there own guns (albeit illegally).
 
"so Mr. smith, I am agent DA from the FBI and this is my partner peanut, we see (by your NRA registration) that you own a smith ..... a kimber..... a dpms...... a m1 garand...... a ruger..... and several shotguns of different brands..

"sorry sirs, I sold most of them... couldnt afford to pay for much in this economy, the guns were the first thing to go... I still have my steven's single shot 12 ga. though...":neener:
 
Nope, I won't bring them up here. Just answering a question posed by someone else. perhaps that question should be addressed and not the answer. Additionally, the practice of deception(lost them all in a boating accident) should also be addressed, as it isn't very "High Road" either.
 
....we see (by your NRA registration) that you own a smith ..... a kimber..... a dpms...... a m1 garand...... a ruger..... and several shotguns of different brands..
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Sounds like the contents of my safe minus a few more thrown in for good measure.
 
Organizing letter writing campaigns and making financial contributions to advocacy groups is all well and good, should possibilities for a peaceful reconciliation of differences regarding the fundamental Constitutional rights of all Americans be completely exhausted, employing nonpeaceful means and other necessary measures cannot be ruled out.

Unless of course you're inclined to regard the Bill of Rights as "optional".

The unfortunate truth is that our opponents despise the Second Amendment, and despise the people who seek to exercise their rights under the Second Amendment.
 
Has anyone else noticed that this thread started with a false premise?

The NRA doesn't request any information about whether you own firearms or what firearms you own.

The insurance company the have set up a group deal with doesn't either.

The OP's original post was predicated on the (incorrect) assumption they did.
 
HSO, no. The op asked a couple of questions voicing a possible concern. The first question is the title of the thread. The next question is as follows:
" So tell me friends, what information do I have to give the NRA about my weaponry? Do you share similar concerns? "

I'm not trying to start anything here, I'm just pointing out the fact that even the mods seem to be reading between the lines and inserting their own opinion in lieu of the facts as they are presented. Nothing personal, just been getting a bad vibe lately about some control issues and personal agendas.
 
Wow this thread sure made my head spin.....Oh no a rip in my tin foil hat!


I dont know what to say, it seems like some of you have valid points, but some of you just want to defend the NRA no matter what is said, good or bad.
 
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