NRA Instructor Shoots Student

[shockwave]

Floridians love their stupid requirement that one pass a class prior to being able to exercise a right.

Yeah, I had to take it for my CHL and it was a really stupid class. Mostly a review of the law concerning CCW. God forbid owners should have any knowledge of the law regarding CCW. Really stupid, huh? Much, much better that people carry concealed with zero understanding of the law. That way, it's more likely they'll go to jail for an infraction.

/snark

 

[Domineaux]

At a neighboring county sheriff's department...as a firearms safety training instructor.

Why is it I am far from surprised by this?

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Shooting students just is not appropriate.

 

[~SG~]

blam, "i said pay attention! Now anyone else feeling drowsy?"

roflmao!!!!!!!

 

[Marty Hayes]

I have been teaching this discipline for over 20 years, with over 10,000 students. Each time, I had a loaded gun in the classroom! No one has ever been shot. What's the difference?

The loaded gun stays in the freaking holster, where it belongs. Even some of the beginning students bring loaded guns into the classroom, but we make them keep it in the holster too.

The key, is to NEVER use a real, operable firearms in a classroom setting, for whatever reason. Use blue guns, orange guns, or what colored dummy gun you want to use. If you want to demonstrate loading and unloading a pistol, make a freakin video and show it on video.

 

[wishin]

Interesting how the media always says "allegedly' unless the NRA can somehow be used for bad press!

 

[Trebor]

The web is full of "NRA instructors" advertizing "concealed carry" classes even though the NRA does not offer this kind of class.

Actually, the NRA does now offer a CCW class. It's the NRA "Personal Protection Outside the Home" course. It's been out for a couple years now.

Also, there are several states where the state training requirements coincide with certain NRA classes. Here in Michigan, for example, the NRA "Personal Protection in the Home" class meets all state requirements to apply for a Michigan Concealed Pistol License.

So, why it technically isn't a "NRA CCW Class" it is a NRA class that meets state CCW requirements. So that students understand that this is the class they need to take to apply for a CCW permit instructors tend to advertise it as a "CCW Class." (Although I don't personally advertise it as a "NRA CCW CLASS".

 

[cskny]

This will all probably end up adding a new term to the course "agreement" you have to sign at the start:

"-This class relates to firearms. There is a chance you can be shot. "So and so" LLC can take no responsibility for said risk."

We sign so much stuff everyday, a lot of students will miss it.

Bingo, liability issue solved

 

[svaz]

"We won't be having anything like that in our church in the future," Lawley said.

So if they were having a driver's ed class and the car was crashed or someone's foot was run over, that would be the end of driver's end? How about cooking classes? Someone slices a thumb open, no more cooking?

Apparently preparing eulogies is easier than finding qualified instructors.

 

[jakemccoy]

This shooting is negligence, not an accident, because "all guns are always loaded".

 

[gossamer]

So if they were having a driver's ed class and the car was crashed or someone's foot was run over, that would be the end of driver's end? How about cooking classes? Someone slices a thumb open, no more cooking?Apparently preparing eulogies is easier than finding qualified instructors.

To extent that they might be held liable if any of these occurred on their property - then hell yes, and who could blame them? It's not all about guns vs. everything else; it's about the cost of being roped into a law suit.


I don't see the point in vilifying the church, it's likely their liability insurance company got wind of the incident and said "you aren't doing that any more."

Just the cost of (successfully) defending yourself against a law suit could run into the thousands of dollars. Compare that to the very few dollars (if any) the church could make from availing the room for classes and it's no wonder they'd want to exclude any instructor who causes an accident on their property.

Someone gets injured and insurance companies/individuals start looking for the deepest pockets around. So we've got an instructor who MIGHT be making a total of six-figures in his or her life and a church, that might be taking in several times that figure (or if the church is part of a large parish it could be a lot more). Who do you think will get looped into a law suit to recover for the losses due to medical expenses? If I were an attorney I'd name the church in the suit and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[BlayGlock]

Must of been a 9mm, because everyone knows that a .45 would have killed him even if it did hit him in the foot. It also must have been a Glock because everyone knows that they are the only firearms that people AD.

Glad the guy is okay.

 

[Old Shooter]

Rule #5: Keep feet out from under table.

 

[Erik M]

Slight knee-jerk reaction of the 'mega church' banning all future firearm related activities on its property.

 

[sonick808]

damnit I'm sorry but you have to be pretty damn negligent to shoot someone in your Concealed Carry class! I'm not trying to ride the guy but good grief!

I just hope everyone is OK physically and there's big uproar over it.

 

[sig228]

What an Ignorant Statement

Floridians love their stupid requirement that one pass a class prior to being able to exercise a right.

No, Floridians just love to CC. And if one of the requirements for some to become licensed is taking a class, so be it.

Its the law.

I love Ted Nugent, but don't quote me any nonsense like "the 2nd Amendment is MY license to carry"

Are you proposing carrying without a license because of your objection to the "stupid class" requirement?

How much are YOU willing to break the law?

 

[svaz]

To extent that they might be held liable if any of these occurred on their property - then hell yes, and who could blame them? It's not all about guns vs. everything else; it's about the cost of being roped into a law suit.

And I don't disagree that from a liability stand point who would want the hassle? But it seems to me that the "not here, ever again" was more an emotional decision and had it been a slipped baseball bat, a near drowning, etc., would she have reacted the same way?

 

[~SG~]

well if the CC class is anything like the 'hunters saftey class' I had to take to get my first hunting permit.......... it's stupid

There was a test at the end and I kid you not one of the questions was where do you load your weapon, the options were
at Kmart parking lot after purchasing ammo
at home
at your hunting location

They had to remove me from the class because I was laughing........

 

[cleardiddion]

Some things are just common sense. Oh I'm not an 'Orlando' instructor as I'm not in orange county, but right next door in seminole county. Something is wrong with these people in Orange county I swear.

I think there's something just wrong with most everything they do; but, hey, that may just be me.

 

[gossamer]

But it seems to me that the "not here, ever again" was more an emotional decision and had it been a slipped baseball bat, a near drowning, etc., would she have reacted the same way?

Depends: did she see her potential premium increase before or after she reacted? My old church had to stop letting groups use a meeting hall after an accident (totally not gun related) and the insurance company "explained" to them that because they didn't disclose these meeting when they set up the policy (YEARS ago) either they had to stop the meetings or they were going to cancel the policy. The new premiums were outrageous.

If anyone sparks has ever sparked an emotional reaction in me in my life, it was my insurance company.

 

[35wailen]

Kudos to the writer for including the incident with the dumb dea agent. I think the writer was on our side and wanted to point out that it takes a federal employee to mix bravado, arrogance, and stupidity into ND soup.