NRA - National Racism Association?

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Race card gets played everywhere...if someone doesn't like you, they will call you racist and there isn't much you could do about it.
I simply introduce them to my White/Black/Mexican/Yakima Indian grandson and inform them that I have done more for racial integration with my penis than the likes of Jesse Jackson could do with a thousand school buses. I then ask them what they have done for racial integration.
 
Didn't understand the question? Was there a question? A quick review. Ah, yes. Sorry.

The NRA is doing precious little to reach out to minorities on the basis of minority membership. No "NRA Midnight Basketball", no hip-hop endorsement commercials, no "the softer, intouchwithourfeminineside" ad campaign. Is that what you're asking?
 
But how many people are there that hold this man's views and think that the NRA does too? How many see the NRA as a bastion of the armed white man? And if there people out there who do -

- Why does this threaten them?
 
A sidenote

I've only met one NRA life member. It was during the "Great Easter Bunny Shoot" four years ago. We were both competitors.

He was an avid hunter from New Mexico [IIRC] and he was a USMC Captain on an exchange program to my country. We talked at the hotel about hunting, CCW reform, and his brother's problems with possessing a shotgun in NYC. At the end of the comp, he accepted the award for the competitor who had travelled the greatest distance to compete and gave a good pitch about political involvement in protecting hunting habitat to the assembled crowd.

Good guy and btw he was black.

So much for stereotypes
 
Stormfront - what a gang of vile, hate-filled thugs. Yeah, they're entitled to their guns too, and all their other civil rights, as long as they're not threatening people. They want guns because they think they're going to fight ZOG or the NWO or whatever other paranoid hallucination has wormed into their heads.
 
Interesting thread, sort of introduction to 'the big lie' theory of politics. Truth is the NRA was founded by former Union army officers who'd fought against slavery; in the 1960's NRA was instrumental in arming Blacks against racist retaliation for de-segregation and voting rights efforts. NRA has been much more anti-Klan for longer than Morris Dees was in his biggest wet dream. You just never hear about it.

Fellow who talked me into joining the NRA was a Black RN psych nurse (talk about stereotypes), really nice guy, as conservative politically as anyone I've ever met, pro-life, pro-family, anti-tax, anti-government-handouts, the works.

For example, why is Stormfront so pro-gun?
They have the exact stance about Blacks owning guns as does the NAACP. How is that pro-gun?
 
I had dismissed the 'anti-gunners' hysterical complaints about the NRA based on race as political posturing, but this opened my eyes to the way that some 'racists' may see the NRA. These aren't questions about the 'rightness' or 'wrongness' of racism, but about the NRA and the way it is perceived by the racists that there are out there.

Forgive me if this isn't totally clear, since I'm still trying to organize some of these thoughts that have been troubling me for a while.

I'm a white male in his mid-30s, and I have not witnessed or heard anything in the gun culture that I could call "racist."

I've been a gun owner for over fifteen years. I sent my membership dues to the NRA, studied the subject, and wrote to my congresscritters and newspapers. But it's only in the past 3 - 4 years that I've become actively invovled in firearms related organizations (ie - gun rights groups, clubs, ranges, formal competition), and have had to deal with other people in the gun culture (or at least the organized gun culture). And something about it has been bothering me.

It seems that these organizations are dominated by a "good old boys network" mentality, where new members are tolerated, but not really welcome into the clique. It can often be difficult for a new person to get any information, as much of the communication is C.O.I.K. -- "Clear Only If Known"

As someone who really likes to shoot, I put up with a lot of the (often minor) annoyances, but I don't think the average person would (or should).

It is often pointed out that gun owners are a varied demographic, made up of all ages, education levels, income groups, and occupations. While there are a lot of doctors and lawyers among us, take a good honest look at the next gun group meeting you go to. In my case, it is usuallly white males (and sometimes their wives) around 50 and older, most of whom look like they could have been extras in a "Dukes of Hazard" episode, as Uncle Jess's long lost brother or something.

And before people rightly complain about that stereotype, I want to point out that the original questions was about perceptions. For the record, many of the people I know involved in these groups happen to be highly educated engineers and lawyers, but you wouldn't know that by looking at them. (Of course, as with any group, some of them are as dumb as they look).

It's striking that I rarely see someone less than ten years older than me at these meetings, and only twice have I seen anyone younger: and they were two teenagers at two seperate high-power rifle competitions.
 
There are two problems:

1. The fact is, racists are often into guns. This may have to do with the tradition of the KKK using firearms to terrorize southern and midwestern blacks. Or, something more Freudian. But either way, they represent gun owners to a certain percentage of the population. For a solution, see next #.

2. The NRA simply doesn't reach out to minorities like it should. If they were in the inner cities teaching little old black ladies to shoot and defend themselves against the crackheads, or taking little kids grom the ghetto duck hunting, a certain percentage of the minority population would come around. Instead, NRA preaches to the choir, and they will never increase their ranks outside of their traditional demographic.
 
I'm a white male in his mid-30s, and I have not witnessed or heard anything in the gun culture that I could call "racist."

I am the same and I wish I could honestly tell you that. I have been horrified by a lot of stuff that I have heard from and argued about with "gun guys." That being said, I am very pleased with this site and the level of discourse and ethics I have read in my short time here.

- Chris
 
You all talk a big talk but hide here in the web site...

YOu have seen the power that an orgnaized people, regardless of race or creed, can bring to bear upon CBS! Talking here is a good thing.. howiever the absense of action only leads to........




(my point is made, take it for what it is worth)
(please frogive my misspellings........ Im a hoosier redneck)
 
So, what's up with the NRA and the KKK?

I saw that cartoon in Bowling for Columbine, but am ignorant of the founding of the NRA... any truth to it?

Michale Moore, like a lot of dishonest people, tends to misrepresent, rather than outright lie... makes it harder to catch him in it because it takes an explanation to provie the lie long enough to make the listener loose interest.

So, where did he get the KKK connection to the NRA?

Don

BTW-- I have actually seen Klansman on the side of the road in my hometown handing out literature, though this was a number of years ago. I think aroudn 1990. They were wearing their sheets and looked pretty goofy, but also scary.
 
So, what's up with the NRA and the KKK?

I saw that cartoon in Bowling for Columbine, but am ignorant of the founding of the NRA... any truth to it?

Michale Moore, like a lot of dishonest people, tends to misrepresent, rather than outright lie... makes it harder to catch him in it because it takes an explanation to provie the lie long enough to make the listener loose interest.

So, where did he get the KKK connection to the NRA?

The film clip ("A Brief History of America") that Don refers to can be seen here: http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/media/clips/index.php

There's a good point-by-point debunking of it at http://bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/scenes/cartoon.htm (Hmmnm, looks like somebody hacked part of that page).


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KKK & NRA Partnership LIE

Next, the cartoon equates the NRA with the KKK. As seen above, a Klansman and NRA member (shown with a sinister evil grin) skip up a hill together hand and hand to burn a cross. The dialog is very tricky here, as it doesn't exactly say it outright, but through fast talking, suggests that the NRA was founded in 1871, "the same year that the Klan became an illegal terrorist organization."

But actually, the Klan was founded in 1866 in Tennessee, and quickly became a terrorist organization.

The NRA was founded in 1871 -- by act of the New York Legislature, at request of former Union officers (you remember the Union right?...the side led by the Republican guy that fought against slavery? K. Just checkin).

The narrator sarcastically says this was just a coincidence while showing the 2 groups meld. The point is an attempt to reveal a strategy to promote "gun rights" for white people and to outlaw gun possession by black people as a way to uphold racism without letting an openly terrorist organization like the KKK flourish.

Yes, in 1871, the Klan became an illegal terrorist organization (the Klan was, of course, composed of men who fought on the losing, pro-slavery side of the Civil War). but the reason why totally goes against Moore's entire thesis here. Turns out that in 1871 there was congressional passage of the Ku Klux Klan Act, which criminalized interference with civil rights, and empowered the President to use troops to hinder the Klan and suppress it by denying Klansmen the writ of habeas corpus.

The president also signed the Enforcement Act of 1870, which made it a federal crime for the Ku Klux Klan or similar conspiracies to interfere with the civil rights of freedmen — including their Second Amendment right to arms.

The Klan Act and Enforcement Act were signed into law by President Ulysess S. Grant. And Grant used their provisions vigorously. Grant dispatched federal troops into South Carolina, Louisiana, and Florida in efforts to destroy the Klan and to protect black voting rights. David Kopel even reminds us that in an April 1872 report to Congress, Grant pointed out the continuing problem in some southern counties of the Ku Klux Klan attempting "to deprive colored citizens of their right to bear arms and the right of a free ballot." Under his leadership over 5,000 arrests were made and the Klan was dealt a serious (if all too short-lived) blow.

As David Hardy notes: Grant's vigor in disrupting the Klan earned him unpopularity among many whites, but Frederick Douglass praised him, and an associate of Douglass wrote that African-Americans "will ever cherish a grateful remembrance of his name, fame and great services." Douglass himself justly called Grant "the benefactor of an enslaved and despised race, a race who will ever cherish a grateful remembrance of his name, fame and great services."

So what's all this got to do with the NRA being a racist organization or not? Well, after Grant left the White House, the NRA elected him as its eighth president... So where is the support and connection from the white NRA that Moore tells us about? No where to be found. What about after Grant maybe? -Nope. After Grant's term, the NRA elected General Philip Sheridan, who had removed the governors of Texas and Louisiana for failure to suppress the KKK.

Racist NRA History LIE

Thus Moore's depiction of a racist NRA beginning is total opposite from the truth. Moore goes to lengths to marry the 2 groups. Although it all happens very fast, we see a Klansmen becoming an NRA member and an NRA character helping to light a burning cross (shown to the right). This sequence is attempting to create the impression either that NRA and the Klan were parallel groups or that when the Klan was outlawed its members formed the NRA. Both inferences are completely wrong.

The 1871 founders of the National Rifle Association were diametrically opposed to the Confederates who founded the KKK. The NRA founders were Union officers who had fought on the anti-slavery side of the Civil War (you know - the side that won). Dismayed by the poor quality of Union marksmanship during the war, the NRA's founders aimed to improve the shooting skills of the American public at large. The first NRA president was Ambrose E. Burnside, who had served as commander of the Army of the Potomac.

Actually, not only was the NRA founded by former Union officers, but eight of its first ten presidents were Union veterans. As Dave Kopel explains: "These included Gen. Winfield Scott Hancock, a hero of Gettysburg, and Gen. Phillip Sheridan, the famous Union cavalry commander. During Reconstruction, Gen. Sheridan served as military governor of Louisiana and Texas, and removed hundreds of local officials (including the governors of both states, and the chief justice of the Texas supreme court) from office for failing to respect the rights of freedmen and for failing to enforce laws for their protection."

During the 1950s and 1960s, groups of blacks organized as NRA chapters in order to obtain surplus military rifles to fight off Klansmen.

If I remember correctly, the NRA was founded to promote marksmanship, because US Army was horrified by the lack of skill among its troops. The rural southerners were naturally better with guns than the urban northerners.
 
That Micheal Moore has gone from dishonist misrepresentin' to flat out lying!

Thanks for the education, Mad Man.
 
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