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the toledo blade, my aunt works there. Ive met some of their staff and it seems to me that the ones I have met dont know a single thing about firearms.
 
Whenever I begin to have doubts about the effectiveness of the NRA, all I have to do is look at the distortions, lies, and hatred spewed toward them by the left and the anti-gun crowd, and my faith is restored.
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From all this, you can suppose Congress cannot be trusted to do almost any sensible thing concerning firearms, even in the service of law and order and public safety.

No, Congress chose law and order over Bloomberg's tactics in support of his radical agenda. This however somehow escaped the Toledoblade but am I surprised?!
 
I like how the NRA is just an evil organization powered by congressmen who are paid off. They fail to state that the NRA's power comes from it's millions of average citizen members and donators.
 
No one else is fighting for your rights on Capital Hill. Join and get involved. If you dont like something help change it. The NRA is the only vehicle we have and it takes active people to make things happen.

You and I can only do so much sitting in your living room. I personally support the NRA, USA Shooting and 4-H shooting sports among other local Youth Shooting organizations. At times its blistering to put up with some of the things and issues that I do not agree with but thats why they are organizations and need active people to assist. You should too.
 
article and links please, please , please...welcome to thr

Article published Thursday, July 19, 2007
NRA puppets

This is a violent culture where criminals have easy access to firearms. Add to that the fear of terrorism returning to these shores, and people have every reason to care about efficient law enforcement.

Suppose, then, that a law enforcement agency could get only limited information from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives about guns used in crimes. Suppose further that while such an agency could obtain ATF data about guns used in specific local crimes, it would be refused wider-reaching, gun-trace data that could uncover patterns of abuse.

If this were so, you'd suppose Congress would move swiftly to give police the tools they need to do their jobs and keep Americans safe. You would be wrong. This is what happens now. It has happened since 2003 because of the so-called Tiahrt amendment, named for the foolish congressman, Republican Rep. Todd Tiahrt of Kansas, who made it the law.

Don't suppose for a minute that, because Democrats control Congress, this absurdity will change. Recently, the House Appropriations Committee defeated two attempts to change this obnoxious provision with some Democrats joining Republicans. The full House must take up the issue, as must the Senate, although the version before the Senate is more onerous than present law to the cause of law enforcement.

Chalk it up to the enduring power of the National Rifle Association and the congressmen who slavishly pay it fealty. The gun lobby was able to play upon an array of wayward fears, including the crusading efforts of New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who has sued out-of-state gun dealers in an attempt to reduce the flow of illegal guns into the city, an effort that the Tiahrt amendment confounds. Mr. Tiahrt argued that easing the restrictions in his amendment could lead to the disclosure of police officers' identities and other details to criminals.

This was bunkum of the highest order. A letter sent to Congress by 32 national and state police organizations and many other individual law-enforcement leaders noted that the "Tiahrt provision puts new and unjustified limits on ATF's disclosure of trace data to law enforcement agencies."

As for supposedly protecting the identities of undercover agents, the letter noted that for many years the ATF has withheld information it felt could compromise investigations or the safety of officers.

From all this, you can suppose Congress cannot be trusted to do almost any sensible thing concerning firearms, even in the service of law and order and public safety.
 
what I find most annoying by these types

Is they imagine the NRA is not a grass roots org, they think it is like the pharmacy lobby or some such.
I probably make far less money then most here on thr, yet I am a life member.
I vote and pay attention, they can not understand that.
 
Hmm, I see they fail to mention that the amendment was supported by both the BATFE and the FOP. Funny, I would think such information would not be overlooked by such a well respected news source :rolleyes:.


FOP said:
The campaign to repeal the "Tiahrt amendment" has enlisted police chiefs and organizations which represent them and used them to claim that the prohibitions on the use of the firearms trace data is hampering local and State efforts to combat illegal firearms and several have gone so far as to say that ATF refuses to share the firearms trace data with law enforcement agencies pursuing a criminal investigation. Neither of these claims are true, but chiefs have little choice but to support the political position of their mayors at whose pleasure they serve.
From the FOP themselves

[quote="House.gov]The ATF and the Fraternal Order of Police (FOP), the nation’s largest law enforcement organization, support the Tiahrt Amendment and have requested its reauthorization every year since 2003.[/quote]
From house.gov


Those are LIES that the media is spreading, the only people that it restricts from accessing the trace data are people like Bloomberg who would love to use such data to attack out of state gun shops. The problem is, if they can use it, anyone can, and that endangers the lives of normal police officers and BATFE agents if, say, a criminal took a look at the data and read between the lines. It also restricts the BATFE from keeping data on lawful gun purchases(or they get their funding cut), which would otherwise amount to nationwide de facto gun registration.
 
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Chalk it up to the enduring power of the National Rifle Association and the congressmen who slavishly pay it fealty.

Translation: How dare those congressman, who do not listen to the people, listen to a group acting on behalf of their own constitiuents that they're ignoring.

The NRA may have issues, as any group marred by the presence of imperfect people, but I support them, because they watch out for 2A issues and lobby congress to listen to of all of the people who they aren't listening to.
 
We continually hear about how "violent" America is and it makes me question how widely read and travelled the media elite is.

We are "violent" compared to whom? Have they ever been outside the United States? Maybe Central America, Europe, Africa or Asia? Have you seen how human life is valued outside of your subdivision, Mr. Editor?:confused:
 
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Pretty much the same editorial appeared in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, to the surprise of nobody, earlier this week as I recall.

Note how they hold NYC's Mayor Bloomberg up as someone or something admirable, without the slightest mention as to his being party to conspiracy to violate federal law.

I called this and other points to the P-G's attention in a Letter To The Editor, which they have failed to print and are unlikely to print, one wonders as to why.
 
Yeah I love it when the antis whine about how powerful the NRA is.

How do they think the NRA *GOT* so powerful? They got their power through the support of this nation's law abiding gun owners who care deeply about their rights and make their voices heard.
 
Far too many idiots have unimpeded access to the internet. No adult supervision, no checks and balances, just raw stupidity on public display without a hint of shame or remorse.

We need internet control. Too much internet is causing too much idiocy. Do it for the chilren.
 
They'll cry about the NRA at a time when NRA members are flocking to their readership area (NW OHIO) and dropping about 20 million into the local economy annually.

I'm talking about Camp Perry, friends.
 
From the title I thought, "Neat, the NRA is starting a puppet program to educate children about guns."
 
To say that this is rank propaganda for the neosocialist agenda would be beyond stating the obvious.

In National Socialist Germany there was never concern about public safety and rampant crime, such as we have today in America. One could walk the streets of any German city or town any time, day or night, without fear of being knocked in the head, killed or raped.

Crime prevention and social control were primary and led to new conceptions of police power that laid the basis for the police state.
 
I guess that made a better editorial than the basic facts that the NRA has more members than every U.S. antigun organization combined, is trusted by far more Americans as a source of information about guns, gun safety, gun laws, and gun policy than any other entity and thus influences more votes for Congresscritters by at least one order of magnitude if not two or three than any other single organization dealing with gun policy. As such it should not be surprising that Congress listens attentively to the NRA; their jobs may very well depend on it.
 
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