NV Drops MI and NM Adds 10 Other States

[Gary Slider]

Nevada has put out a new list of states it will honor. They just changed their statute on how they would honor other states. First they dropped Michigan and New Mexico. No big public announcement just updated their listing. They now list these states with the all cap states additions to their original list. They did honor 14 now it is 22.

Alaska, ARIZONA, Arkansas, DELAWARE, Idaho (both types of permits), Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, LOUISIANA, MINNESOTA, MONTANA, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota (both types of permits), Ohio, OKLAHOMA, RHODE ISLAND, South Carolina, Tennessee, WEST VIRGINIA, WISCONSIN AND WYOMING.

They also did honor just the North Dakota Class 1 and the Idaho Enhanced. They now honor all the permit/licenses these two starts issue. You can view the listing at the below link. I didn’t link directly to the list as the cover page shows it is effective June 17. On that page click on “Click Here to View” to see the listing.
http://gsd.nv.gov/FeesForms/Brady/CCW-Permit-Recognition/

www.handgunlaw.us will be updated late this evening or early tomorrow with the changes listed above. This will be the last update this month. There are numerous updates to states with law changes going into effect July 1.

 

[SSN Vet]

I wonder if this has anything to do with Real ID....

Some states are still holding out and have only complied as far as they have to in order for their drivers licenses to be accepted at airports.

I live in a destination state, and it's not uncommon for vans full of illegals to make the trip up to get drivers licenses here.... statement made based on news reports of these vans being stopped for moving violations and getting popped.

 

[USAF_Vet]

Not that I was planning a trip to Nevada, but won't consider it now.

 

[danez71]

AZ has been On and Off that list about 4 times in the last 10 yrs.

 

[M1key]

I hope NM stays off their list permanently. No Real Id for us, thank you.

M

 

[Twiki357]

danez71:
AZ has been On and Off that list about 4 times in the last 10 yrs.

Thanks for keeping count. I lost track of the ons & offs, but it seems like more than that. Kind of like the old “Who’s on first.” Maybe someday they may actually make up their mind.

 

[loose noose]

I'm not sure of Arizona's CCW, my daughter-in-law took there CCW course and got her CCW license, and never had to fire a shot, just took a written test. Thank God she did go thru my certified class and did have to shoot a minimum of 30 rounds to qualify.

 

[CaptHank]

Looks like their website is down. My son lives in Henderson, NV, so I'm checking on how they are dealing with Florida now.

It's back up, Florida isn't listed.

 

[F-111 John]

I'd like to know why NV dropped MI.

 

[Derek Zeanah]

Thanks, Gary.

I'd love to see national reciprocity one day (like a driver's license) and put you out of business, but for now I really appreciate the work.

 

[22-rimfire]

What was the criteria for NV to include another state's permit?

 

[swinokur]

According to the new statute, the requirements are:

1. Provides training (does not specify)
2. Maintains 24/7 access for LE access to CCW datatbase.

New statute:

NRS 202.3689

1. On or before July 1 of each year, the Department shall:
(a) Determine whether each state requires a person to complete any training, class or program
before the issuance of a permit to carry a concealed firearm in that state .

(b) Determine whether each state has an electronic database which identifies each individual who possesses a valid permit to carry a concealed firearm issued by that state and which a law enforcement officer in this State may access at all times through a national law enforcement telecommunications system.
(c) Prepare a list of states that meet the requirements of paragraphs (a) and (b).
(d) Provide a copy of the list prepared pursuant to paragraph (c) to each law enforcement agency in this State.
2. The Department shall, upon request, make the list prepared pursuant to subsection 1 available to the public.

 

[Doc7]

Virginia just passed a law making its CCW holder list NOT accessible by other states' LEOs, so I guess we're not getting on that list.

 

[rtroha]

Virginia just passed a law making its CCW holder list NOT accessible by other states' LEOs, so I guess we're not getting on that list.

That being the case, I wonder how an LEO who stops a Virginia licensee in another state can determine whether or not the license is valid?

 

[Kaeto]

I'd like to know why NV dropped MI.

It's thought to be because Mi made it so a Police Officer has to specifically request the information on if a person has a CPL or not instead of it coming up automatically when they run a license.

 

[Doc7]

It's thought to be because Mi made it so a Police Officer has to specifically request the information on if a person has a CPL or not instead of it coming up automatically when they run a license.

I think this is more specifically what Virginia did but having trouble finding info on my phone this morning.

 

[swinokur]

Does MI have a 24 hour number on the permit that LE can call to check validity?

That is a requirement of the new NV statute to achieve or keep reciprocity.

I know my VA NR permit has no number on it.

 

[F-111 John]

No, no phone number on the license, but the NV law requires 24h access to an electronic database. AFAIK if you run a Michigan DL, the CPL will also be flagged. When we crossed into Canada last month, the Canadian customs agent certainly knew that my wife and I both had Michigan CPLs just from our enhanced Michigan DLs. I was asked several times where my "gun" was at that moment. I didn't want to break it to the guy that between me and my wife we have a couple dozen guns.

 

[swinokur]

Well perhaps that is why MI was dropped.

The other requirement NV requires is that the CCW have a training requirement. Does MI require training? Both must be satisfied to keep reciprocity with NV now.

 

[USAF_Vet]

It's thought to be because Mi made it so a Police Officer has to specifically request the information on if a person has a CPL or not instead of it coming up automatically when they run a license.

I'm going to have to read the CPL reform bill.
First I had read that once in effect, the duty to inform goes away, and the LEO must ask during a stop, as you said. I've also been told the duty to inform now has criminal liability as a class A misdemeanor if you fail to inform.

I know the CPL is linked to DL, and/ or car registration. LEOs know by running your plate if the registered owner has a CPL. That info may or may not be available to out of state LEOs, and there isn't a 24/7 hotline to call and verify if the license is legit. if that is the NV requirement to recognize a MI license, then that's probably why we are no longer on the list. I'm pretty sure MI recognizes all permits, with the caveat that it must be issued by the state of residence. So, sorry to the "may issue" residents carrying with a Non-resident permit. Also, not sure how we do it for those who have permitless carry. But that's a different thread topic and I realize now I'm just rambling.

 

[Kaeto]

The duty to inform has not gone away! There is now a mandatory penalty if you don't immediately inform.

The asking is when the police officer runs your D/L. Before when the D/L was run the fact that you have a CPL came up automatically. Now they have to query specifically if you do when running your D/L.

 

[swinokur]

Here is the updated NV statute:

NRS 202.3689

1. On or before July 1 of each year, the Department shall:
(a) Determine whether each state requires a person to complete any training, class or program
before the issuance of a permit to carry a concealed firearm in that state .

(b) Determine whether each state has an electronic database which identifies each individual who possesses a valid permit to carry a concealed firearm issued by that state and which a law enforcement officer in this State may access at all times through a national law enforcement telecommunications system.
(c) Prepare a list of states that meet the requirements of paragraphs (a) and (b).
(d) Provide a copy of the list prepared pursuant to paragraph (c) to each law enforcement agency in this State.
2. The Department shall, upon request, make the list prepared pursuant to subsection 1 available to the public.

I don't know if this means a phone number or if a dispatch center could call. but no phone number on the permit for a LEO to call could certainly be the problem for MI

 

[bigtubby]

Not that I was planning a trip to Nevada, but won't consider it now.

You could just open carry no permit needed here in Nevada.

 

[swinokur]

Know what's funny? Just looked on the back of my NV NR permit. (Las Vegas Metro issued it for Clark County)

No phone number.

 

[USAF_Vet]

The duty to inform has not gone away! There is now a mandatory penalty if you don't immediately inform.

The asking is when the police officer runs your D/L. Before when the D/L was run the fact that you have a CPL came up automatically. Now they have to query specifically if you do when running your D/L.

That's what I've heard. I think the duty to inform removal was included in the initial CPL reform bill Snyder did not sign. In the updated CPL reform bill that passed, this was one of the things that was changed as a compromise, along with the language to bar those under a personal protection order from applying for, or receiving their CPL until the issue is resolved.