Washington State Drops AR, KS, MS and MO.

[Gary Slider]

(UPDATED) Washington State Drops AR, KS, MS and MO.

Update: http://www.atg.wa.gov/concealed-weapon-reciprocity

Washington State has added Kansas back on the list of states they honor. I thought they would as the reason they gave for dropping them was not what KS Law stated. www.handgunlaw.us has been updated to show this additional change.



Washington state Attorney General updated his reciprocity listing on their website today. Missing from the list of states they honor are Arkansas, Kansas, Mississippi and Missouri. http://www.atg.wa.gov/concealed-weapon-reciprocity If you go to the link you will see the listing and if you scroll down the page you will see the reasons given for not honoring those states. AR, MO and MS because they issue to those under 21. I don’t understand their Kansas reason and hoping they are just reading Kansas law wrong. Kansas honors all other states permit licenses. Washington is stating their reason for not honoring Kansas. “Does not recognize WA CPL in a meaningful way as will only recognize if holder is KS resident.” www.handgunlaw.us will be updated late this evening to reflect those changes listed above.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

I applaude the stating of the reasons.

Still, silly that a kid can;
join the military,
take part in Federal mis-adventures,
wield a firearm or more,
put his life in harm's way

and still have to reach "maturity" to gain a permit.



Todd.

 

[leadcounsel]

Washington state is really starting to tick me off.

In the last year we've had 594, and now reports of SBR's being denied, dropping Florida not long ago, and now this.

 

[Bobson]

All four are BS reasons as far as I'm concerned. I've been a longtime advocate for granting full "adult" rights to American veterans regardless of age (join the Army at 18, you should be allowed to go buy a beer or a handgun the day after AIT).

And even if Kansas truly didn't honor our permits "in a meaningful way," our AG is going to get back at Kansas' legislators by making things more difficult for people in THIS state?

Here's your sign, Mr. Ferguson. You sure have earned it.

 

[Old Dog]

What the bleep! I was ticked when my state dropped Florida (and subsequently lost Florida as recognizing our CPLs) -- one of the few states my family spends time in (and now can't carry in) -- comes now this poop.

When Rob McKenna left as our state's AG, the new (liberal Dem) AG quickly started screwing everything up for gunowners.

 

[ljnowell]

Yep, when leftists get in power and destroy reciprocity agreements it's just one more reason why we need a federal reciprocity law.

 

[BSA1]

Washington is stating their reason for not honoring Kansas. “Does not recognize WA CPL in a meaningful way as will only recognize if holder is KS resident.”

Kansas recently passed a law eliminating conceal carry permits for residents carrying within the state. They left in place the law for fingerprint, background check and training requirements to obtain a permit for out-of-state travel.

According to the Attorney General's website:

"Beginning July 1, 2013, the State of Kansas will recognize all “valid” concealed carry licenses (or permits, cards, etc.) that are issued by another State or the District of Columbia. HOWEVER, there are two important caveats to that general rule: (1) this recognition only extends to individuals who are not residents of Kansas. If you are passing through Kansas to another state, or staying in Kansas temporarily for business or pleasure – a valid CCH license from another jurisdiction will be honored beginning July 1, 2013; and (2) this recognition will only allow the license holder to carry a concealed handgun."

Washington State is listed as one of the States Kansas recognizes.

So to our out-of-state CWP holders. Come and visit and bring your gun.

Maybe another Jayhawker knows if something was slipped in about restricting Washington State CWP's.

Otherwise the only thing I can think of is Washington State libs are angry that Kansas is loosening gun restrictions instead of becoming more restrictive like them. Like why would they care?

http://ag.ks.gov/public-safety/concealedcarry/out-of-state-license-recognition

 

[PeglegJones]

Rob McKenna was a good AG!

 

[Mainsail]

The AG has to follow the law regardless of his or her feelings about it. WA had to drop FL after FL started issuing CCWs to under-21 veterans. The AG isn't anti-military, but the way the law is written he cannot have reciprocity with any state that issue permits to under 21s. That law can be changed, but until then the AG is hamstrung.

Washington's constitutional right to arms provision, Article 1 § 24, is one of the least ambiguous arms provisions of the 50 states. The WA courts system has affirmed and recognized the right to be what the language plainly says, unlike some states (say, Texas) where the not-so-plain language gets twisted, or some (say, CA) where no right to arms is recognized at the state level.

WA does not require any permit or license to buy, own, or carry a firearm. If you’re visiting your local gun shop and a gun captures your fancy, you can buy it and walk right out the door with it a few minutes later. If you are on your way to, at, or returning from an outdoor activity you may carry concealed without a license or permit. If you get a license to carry concealed, there is no “list” of firearms that you have state permission to carry.

There are places where it’s better, but a whole lot more where it’s worse.

The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this Section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men.

 

[PeglegJones]

There is a waiting period in Washington for handguns if you do not have a CPL.

 

[Red Wind]

What the bleep! I was ticked when my state dropped Florida (and subsequently lost Florida as recognizing our CPLs) -- one of the few states my family spends time in (and now can't carry in) -- comes now this poop.

It doesn't make Floridians happy either. Many of us go to Washington State with regularity. My son was in Seattle just last month.

 

[Sheepdog1968]

Sorry to hear that. I think it's petty on WA. I think WA should just honor a CCW from any state and be done with it. Or better yet, just allow CCW without a permit.

In other news, NV is about to expand their list of states.

 

[1911 guy]

As convoluted as agreements between states are, imagine the fiasco if the fed was to begin regulating who could carry, where they could carry and what they could carry.

This sucks, but it sucks less than some other options.

 

[leadcounsel]

There are places where it’s better, but a whole lot more where it’s worse.

Sadly, WA is quickly falling to the anti-gun left.

In just a few years I've been here, pot and gay marriage were legalized (I personally have no issue but it draws in the liberals like flies to a pile of dung), and the liberals know this.

We've lost multiple states on our CPL, have now lost Face to Face gun transfers (all must go through an FFL and pay the fee), and I've read that SBRs are being denied in spite of being legal. CPLs are easy to get, for now, but you have a 5 day wait on a handgun without it (that may have gone to 10 days).

I'm seriously debating flight from WA if it gets much worse.

 

[CoalTrain49]

I've lived in WA since 1975. Used to be a pretty good place to live but it's getting more and more like CA everyday. You could say it's a blue state now. A few of us are trying to hold out against an onslaught of welfare seekers, liberals, and CA retirees looking for an income tax shelter. Of course they all want to change things to look just like the liberal welfare state they left and vote for things like I-594.

If I were 26 again and looking for a place to live I sure wouldn't move to WA. Just another liberal bastion full of pavement dwellers with bad attitudes.

 

[PeglegJones]

WA has been a blue state for a long time. It's controlled by King, Pierce and Snohomish counties. Spokane and other cities on the east side would like to split the state cause they have no say in state govmint.

 

[tomrkba]

As convoluted as agreements between states are, imagine the fiasco if the fed was to begin regulating who could carry, where they could carry and what they could carry.

They do in Washington DC (for concealed carry permits). The rules are INSANE. Case in point: a person lawfully carrying a concealed handgun may only carry enough ammunition to load the gun twice, or 20 rounds, whichever is less.

Yes, that's right, we can now carry 20 rounds instead of 10!

 

[Crayfish]

You guys in Washington have more staying power than I do. I lived in Eastern WA for about 6 years and could take no more of the wackos in King county running the state and left in 1995 never to return. The entire west coast is blue even though there are a lot of conservative counties in those 3 states they have no say due to numbers. We are trying to get constitutional carry passed here in Idaho but, the reason some RINO's won't support it (they say) is fear of Washington dropping the reciprocity agreement. I have an out of state permit for WA because we have relatives there and I did not want to re take a class for the "Enhanced" version of our permit that WA recognizes so we can still go that route and WA is pretty reasonable on out of state prices for permits. The Sheriff I went through was also very pro 2A.