NY Safe Act, a sham?

[Speedo66]

This NY Times article about the NYS Safe Act reveals it for what it is, a sham. The reporters had to use a Freedom of Information Act, which was denied, and finally an appeal, to get the state to turn over actual figures. "The Cuomo administration initially refused The Times’s request for data on the program and rebuffed a public records request, turning over limited information only after an appeal process." The base of people denied permits under the law because of mental illness was approx. 34K, some being reported more than once. Turns out the "mental health professionals" able to fill a report, and thus deny or revoke a permit, were sometimes no more than emergency room nurses or social workers.

The act called for independent oversight by an official at the county level, but one such official interviewed for the article admitted that it was just too much work to actually check each person referred, and thus he just rubber stamped each case. "Kenneth M. Glatt, commissioner of mental hygiene for Dutchess County, said that at first, he had carefully scrutinized every name sent to him through the Safe Act. But then he realized that he was just “a middleman,” and that it was unlikely he would ever meet or examine any of the patients. So he began simply checking off the online boxes, sometimes without even reviewing the narrative about a patient." So much for a checks and balance system. 278 people who already had permits had them revoked under the act. You need to start a law suit to fight the designation as unfit and regain your right to a permit.

The article, like the last one I posted from the Times about how "assault weapons" are not really used in crimes, is another well balanced look at 2nd amendment issues. This one shows the Safe Act for what it is, in reality a sham in the way it is actually being implemented.

Here's the article: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/n...column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

 

[likesguns]

Anyone living in the state of NewYork should vote for Rob Astorino come November anyone else should pray that "safe act"style legislation does not pass become law in their states!

 

[SleazyRider]

Double whammy ...

Yes, it's a sham of the highest order. But worse yet---far worse yet---is the so-called "SAFE Act II" that may be signed into law if Cuomo gets elected. It will, in effect, preclude firearm ownership in New York, as its conditions are nearly impossible to meet: http://bulletsfirst.net/2014/10/13/cuomo-sign-safe-act-2-law-gets-reelected/ .

I simply cannot pack up and move for reasons beyond the scope of this thread; so if this comes to fruition, I have to choose between selling my offending firearms out-of-state or risk living criminally in New York.

It sickens me that Cuomo will likely get reelected by the "majority" from the metropolitan areas. We upstaters barely have a voice in these matters. Ditto for national elections, since we are not a "swing state."

To call it a sham is like calling Ebola the "sniffles."

 

[Tirod]

"If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

How is confiscation of assault rifles in CA and CT going? IIRC hundreds of thousands were never declared or turned in.

There is a silver lining to the dark cloud of Cuomo being reelected. First, he will be in office when a lot of the lawsuits come to a head in the courts. Second, he is leaving a continuing trail of mistakes that will politically impact him - the Attorney General seems to be retiring for the same problems.

All that will tarnish both him, his legacy, and his party. And the Detroit "repatriation" won't be ignored, either. The streets won't run with blood because of concealed carry or selling guns in the city, shootings will decline, and that will be trumpeted by the competing news media outlets in NY metros. The papers may be biased but they do a good job of shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to selling papers.

Once again the urban dweller will be confronted with the fact they were sold a bill of goods that was basically a lie, and it will add to their disenchantment with the local administrations.

If Cuomo gets Safe Act II passed - which would be a monumental fight with it done openly - then how does he enforce it? By any stretch it would be a watershed moment in political history. If the ranch standoff out west looked like a band of misfits thumbing their nose at the government, wait until search teams are roaming the streets.

As already noted by those initiating the suits now in the courts, local LEO's aren't in support of the Safe act much at all. So, who's Cuomo going to get to force turn in of firearms, and how? The National Guard? Many are veterans and aren't likely going to participate either.

Overall, I see Hizzoner setting himself up for a major pratfall as he overestimates just how sheeplike he thinks his subjects are.

 

[RustyShackelford]

support for the New York SAFE act....

To my limited knowledge about 48 of the 52 elected sheriffs in NY's counties were against the SAFE act & refused to support it. Many of the sheriffs & their senior staffs thought it violated the 2A & under-mined their authority/permit process.
Cuomo had no clue what he was doing when he set up the provisions of the SAFE act.
The fact that he only wanted "seven round" pistol magazines then later changed it to ten, because he said: "I didn't know how semi automatic pistols worked."

Yeah, why learn details or what something does before you pass laws or try & ban it.

It makes no sense.

 

[jrmiddleton425]

Don't kid yourself...they know EXACTLY what they are doing. The follow-up to the SAFE Act is already on Cuomo's desk. Except for Skelos re-writing the bill to exempt his own collection of 1911 pistols, the limit would have been set at 5 rounds.

All that's standing in the way of a 5 round limit right now, is Judge Skretney's ruling, which in part said that there is no legally valid reason a 10-round magazine cannot be loaded with ten rounds.

 

[Ryanxia]

That whole thing is sickening.
Nothing to do but fight it best you guys can. And keep the rest of us informed so maybe we can help.