NY Times Anti RKBA Editorial--the first to run on page 1 in almost a century.

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The attention and anger of Americans should also be directed at the elected leaders whose job is to keep us safe but who place a higher premium on the money and political power of an industry dedicated to profiting from the unfettered spread of ever more powerful firearms.
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I remember when I was kid, how my Dad heard a bump in the night and immediately called his Senator and Representative to come make sure we were safe :rolleyes:

How ridiculous.
 
"The NYT endorses gun confiscation. I wonder how long it will be before some people running for office next year start repeating the same thing?"

"The attention and anger of Americans should also be directed at the elected leaders whose job is to keep us safe but who place a higher premium on the money and political power of an industry dedicated to profiting from the unfettered spread of ever more powerful firearms."
Much like the fabled "big tobacco" (as opposed to "little tobacco?"), they grossly inflate the scale of the gun industry. I'm sure it's doubled since the 40 Billion/yr figure, but that still means the Apple Corporation alone is like seven times bigger than the entire Gun Industry. Let alone what they/we contribute (less than 15% from evul corporations) to the even more mythical "Gun Lobby" for political representation, which I thought is typically something like a comically small 40 Million per year (maybe that's just for the NRA?)

"I find the NYT using the front page for an editorial/opinion piece disgusting."
Yeah, I'm not quite sure how you could square that with any type of journalistic credibility, or pretense thereof.

TCB
 
I remember when I was kid, how my Dad heard a bump in the night and immediately called his Senator and Representative to come make sure we were safe. :rolleyes:
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That is a brilliant counter to this sort of nanny state blather! It is concise, humorous/ironic and it makes people actually stop and think. Well said!
 
The NYT front-page editorial reeks of hysteria and desperation. They've lost and they are starting to know it. Just this morning, on "Meet The Press" someone from the National Review clearly pointed out that nothing proposed in the editorial would stop a terrorist from obtaining guns, including the "newest" proposal that no one on the "no-fly list" should be allowed to purchase a gun; pointing out that neither San Bernadino shooter was on that list. I thought that was an important moment, since I only watch "Meet the Press" to see how the mainstream press and Chucky Todd are spinning things.
 
The NYT front-page editorial reeks of hysteria and desperation.
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...and as somebody on Fox News pointed out this morning, ENVY.

They seem enraged that The NY Daily News is getting the attention which they think THEY deserve. Hence this latest exercise in editorial window licking.
 
There was no need to read beyond the first sentence:

All decent people feel sorrow and righteous fury about the latest slaughter of innocents, in California.
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That kind of improper use of punctuation in a front page op ed of a liberal rag is a clear indication that the rest will be loquacious twaddle.
 
The soviet communists have infiltrated academia and news organizations for the last century. They were very successful at it, for a very long time. I would not be surprised if there were Russian agents, on the Russian payroll, in very high positions in many of the newspapers in this country.

They are clearly out to ruin this country and this is the best explanation I can attribute to this behavior.
 
HKGuns said:
The soviet communists have infiltrated academia and news organizations for the last century. They were very successful at it, for a very long time. I would not be surprised if there were Russian agents, on the Russian payroll, in very high positions in many of the newspapers in this country.

They are clearly out to ruin this country and this is the best explanation I can attribute to this behavior.
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Your explanation seems unlikely due to the fact that the Soviet Union ceased to exist in 1991.

The domestic disarmament movement is not just a threat to our capacity to defend ourselves physically against tyranny. It is also part of the much more general assault on the very notion that human beings are even capable of moral responsibility!

Anyone who is serious about controlling violence must recognize that it can only be done by rooting violence out of the human heart. That’s why I fail to understand those who say ‘save us from guns,’ even while they cling to the coldly ruthless doctrine that human life has no worth except what they ‘choose’ to assign to it.
 
HKGuns said:
Russia is the same as the former Soviet Union. I clearly said Russian agents.
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You specifically mentioned "soviet communists", which is definitely not the same as the current Russian Federation.

Present day Russia has no intention of trying to discredit the Second Amendment by calling it old-fashioned or out of step with modern needs.

Indeed, the Kalashnikov Concern eagerly sells their AK-47 rifles to the American civilian market!
 
"I would not be surprised if there were Russian agents, on the Russian payroll, in very high positions in many of the newspapers in this country."
Wrong country; what there are a disturbingly high number of in the upper reaches of government, are people with oddly close ties to Iran & its lobbying groups. Very odd they would get their foot in the door, seeing as we haven't had formal political business with Iranians for decades...until right now. Suddenly they're now the center of all our plans. Granted, in previous years it was the same case but with Saudi connections, but it does help explain the direction of our seemingly nonsensical foreign policy approaches.

More so than that is the outsized influence of a mere handful of universities on American policy, which are at this point uniformly statist (future heads of state being brought up with the expectation they are to be the One Supreme Authority), now sliding rapidly towards outright authoritarianism (communism, fascism, socialism; whatever you call it, the end product is identical tyranny in practice)

"You specifically mentioned "soviet communists", which is definitely not the same as the current Russian Federation.

Present day Russia has no intention of trying to discredit the Second Amendment by calling it old-fashioned or out of step with modern needs."
I agree; modern Russia has no time for slowly eroding our social structures from within as they used to seek; they're too busy capitalizing on the failures of our foreign policy and schmoozing deals with our State Department to be bothered.

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Oh, everyone of importance back then was KGB; they basically ran the country towards the end. It's also not like Putin was the Head Guy, either, he was just some officer among many others. Contrary to popular belief, politicking is a skill, and even when the old regime is deposed, the same people that ran it often come crawling back to ascend the ranks of whatever comes afterward (it's why we were so adamant about de-Baathification in Iraq, and why the result was a generation of incompetent leadership instead of merely corrupt leadership to follow in Saddam's wake). It's also why the "no political insiders" mentality is rather short-sighted, at times.

TCB
 
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Putin and his cronies were KGB. You are being naive to think otherwise.
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And your thinking is bewilderingly outmoded and archaic.

Why would Russian firms export arms and ammunition for purchase by the American public if the real intention was to disarm these customers?
 
How is it I make a thread about Obama making false statements about American mass shootings and it immediately gets locked yet we can go on page after page about is it Russia or USSR?
After 6 years I still don't get the rules here.
 
And your thinking is bewilderingly outmoded and archaic.

Why would Russian firms export arms and ammunition for purchase by the American public if the real intention was to disarm these customers?
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Again, naive.

If you think for one second the Russian Government gives three hoots about its firearms industry's ability to export to the US you'd have seen them pull out of the Ukraine. Guess what sherlock, they're still there. Seems to me there are sanctions in place over the Ukraine. You must have forgotten about that small detail now didn't you sport.

The Putinista KGB is paranoid, like Stalin, about the West and if you think they don't have an active ground force of KGB infiltrators in our society, you're not learning from history.

I'll not argue this any more other than to tell you to read some of the KGB defectors books and educate yourselves. Tactics have not changed.
 
All the current talk is about confiscation. They are going to leap over outlawing sales of this or that (which they will try to do as well of course) and go to the American people with this appeal:

"It's not enough to stop selling them because there are already so many. The solution to the problem is to both stop selling them and take away the ones people already own, legally or not, so they can never fall into the wrong hands".

This appeal will get some traction with public opinion. It will get traction with a few people that may have doubted more "traditional" forms of gun control...like magazine restrictions etc.

The question is, with how many people will this appeal get traction? Will it influence voters in sufficient numbers? Will it get traction with SCOTUS?

These times they are a changin'
 
Deanimator said:
"These times they are a changin'"
They are. Poll show that support for fascistic gun controls is declining every day.
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That is behind my questions. The tactics are changing to confiscation rather than restrictions. That tactic has to be countered and probably needs to be countered with different counter-tactics...if you will. That's why I make my point. There has been very little talk of confiscation by any besides the most rabid up until now. If this becomes the new trend in "gun control" tactics, we will need to respond appropriately because I would contend the tactic will act differently on the public psyche.
 
Honestly we need them to switch to confiscation. It's proof incrementalism wasn't working and it shows them to be liars after years of saying "no one wants to take your guns".
 
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