NY Times is Starting to Get Worried About Reciprocal Concealed Carry Licenses

[Vern Humphrey]

I read somewhere else that one of the foaming at the mouth antis was claiming this would allow blind people to carry concealed. Hey, if they can see to fill out the 4473, good enough for me!

So we accuse them of being prejudiced against the handicapped!

 

[captmoto]

Not much concern with all the criminals carrying anyway in NYC I guess.

 

[Hokkmike]

*sigh* I remember way back then when they used to print news.....

 

[bikerdoc]

My answer to those kind of arguments is why are you focused on limiting me, a grandpa, veteran, retied cop, and taxpayer that has never been in trouble, when we spend more on animal control than mental health.
It doesnt take a genius to see many of the mass killings are perpetrated by people who have been failed by the underfunded, inept, mental health system.

 

[Tirod]

Frankly, the mental health system is staffed by the anti gunners. Which is why so many veteran's won't go to them for help - and they are a significant portion of the suicides occurring right now.

Being the "officials" who determine mental health, if they say you can't be trusted - no more purchasing guns. If your family says they don't trust you, in certain states you can be disarmed. For all the concern over mental health, the attempts - even if taken reasonably - do exactly what the individual fears most. It disempowers him or her and strips them of their rights.

This isn't a wholesale approach in mental health but does go to point out how far the system will go to take away our gun rights and that bears heavily on why so many avoid it. The people who need the help the most are also the ones who see that "help" as being the worst case situation. They don't want to be found crazy because then they aren't humans anymore with rights - they are "patients" incarcerated by the system free to live under house arrest but unable to enjoy normal life. Once tagged they become officially "unstable" and everything they do after that becomes a finger pointing exercise in the press over "why didn't someone stop them?"

That is already happening - expanding it further will only bring about more rejection and we spiral further into even more avoidance. "Crazy people can't have guns" equals "I'm not crazy and you have to find me to prove it."

In the meantime the real shooters are those who make criminal decisions and nobody flags that behavior, it's tolerated under diversity guidelines being imposed by the left. More behavioral excesses are shielded under that false premise which then creates an atmosphere of there being no rules so my rules are just as good as yours.

All this started back in '63 when a Supreme Court stuffed with non judicial appointees determined - obliquely thru a decision - that "God was dead" and that is where you can trace the rise of unwed births, crime, and divorce into the modern era. It was as stupid a decision as the '34 NFA because we could no longer teach a moral and ethical code in our public schools - which meant we no longer had any after that. It directly leads to now.

Like what they did? The very people who fund Antifa beating free speech advocates are the ones who supported that decision then. Maybe Joe McCarthy gets a lot of hate because he was right after all. Look at who his enemies were.

Who are your enemies now?

 

[vito]

Optimism on the national reciprocity issue seems to be unwarranted. Right now President Trump, and Congress, are mired in the "big" issues of day to day government funding, repeal and replacement of Obamacare, funding and building the wall on the southern border, and reform of the entire tax system, so that I doubt there is even a scintilla of effort to address the national reciprocity issue. I don't know if the NRA is trying to apply pressure to get this addressed, or if they are, how effective they might be. And even if passed, I think it highly likely that one or more federal judges in liberal states would rule it unconstitutional as an unwarranted restriction of state's rights. And even if all of that is overcome, I envision states like NY and NJ blatantly ignoring the law and instructing their law enforcement agencies to continue to enforce restrictive state law. For some liberals, this is an "end of the world" type issue that they will risk everything to fight, especially in jurisdictions where the anti-gunners know that the voting public supports them. Pessimism on this issue seems more realistic right now.

 

[grampajack]

My answer to those kind of arguments is why are you focused on limiting me, a grandpa, veteran, retied cop, and taxpayer that has never been in trouble, when we spend more on animal control than mental health.
It doesnt take a genius to see many of the mass killings are perpetrated by people who have been failed by the underfunded, inept, mental health system.

Actually, a disturbingly high proportion of mass shooters were receiving mental health treatment at the time. The connection between SSRIs and mass shootings is undeniable. I would argue that our mental health system is a big part of the problem, not the solution. From my perspective they take people with relatively minor problems like depression and anxiety and turn them into full blown suicidal, homicidal moonbats.

 

[Aim1]

My answer to those kind of arguments is why are you focused on limiting me, a grandpa, veteran, retied cop, and taxpayer that has never been in trouble, when we spend more on animal control than mental health.
It doesnt take a genius to see many of the mass killings are perpetrated by people who have been failed by the underfunded, inept, mental health system.

I don't agree with all of this. A lot of these mass shootings aren't caused by people with mental health issues but by idealogical ones. Look at most of these domestic terrorist attacks, most are caused by people who are inspired by radical islam. They aren't dealing with mental health issues, you have 9/11, the Boston Bombers, San Bernardino, and many others.

So, yes, mental health plays a role in some but most of them are religious.

 

[ScrapMetalSlug]

I think NY will be the most interesting state if some sort of reciprocity bill passes. You havent even been able to possess a pistol in NY state resident or not in almost 100 years without a permit, let alone carry one. With reciprocity i imagine you'd still be limited to 7 rounds or whatever the SAFE act requires. Very interesting, and anything thats been the norm long enough makes all kinds of people nervous when you talk about any changes.

 

[tipoc]

Not much concern with all the criminals carrying anyway in NYC I guess.

You know a couple of years back when they regularly did "Stop and Frisk" in NYC it always turned up a remarkably small number of actual guns. Knives, screwdrivers, multi-tools, pieces of re-bar, kubotan, brass knuckles, roll of quarters in a sock, etc. were regularly turned up and thousands of people arrested annually for that. But few guns. Not that it mattered to them of course. The whole point was to let you know who's in charge. Cops can be in Times Square with M16s and M4s, but the wrong Benchmade in your pocket can get you in jail.

Don't be a "Concealed Carry Killer!" Cue the music...dun, dun, duunnn!

 

[herrwalther]

I think NY will be the most interesting state if some sort of reciprocity bill passes. You havent even been able to possess a pistol in NY state resident or not in almost 100 years without a permit, let alone carry one. With reciprocity i imagine you'd still be limited to 7 rounds or whatever the SAFE act requires. Very interesting, and anything thats been the norm long enough makes all kinds of people nervous when you talk about any changes.

NY is interesting for me because I still have family in the state. If National Reciprocity passes, I would be more than willing to get a firearm that fits the NY(UN)SAFE act to carry in the state. It would be just another excuse for me to get another 1911 or maybe a revolver that caught my eye. I believe the vast majority of Congress would be on board, as there is already a patchwork of reciprocity agreements between the states. The biggest whiners will be NY, CA, NJ, Maryland and other states that have very strict firearm laws and low permitted carry in their own states.