NYPD Gun falls off waistband "goes off"

[Brat7748]

A college student was injured after a police officer's gun accidentally fired inside a sandwich shop in Brooklyn Wednesday.

The officer stopped at a Blimpie store in Flatbush on his way to work. While he was eating, his gun slipped off of his waistband and fired a shot, according to police.

The bullet hit the ground, police said, fragments of the floor tile hit the 19-year-old student.

She was treated and released from an area hospital.


http://www.ny1.com/ny/Boroughs/SubTopic/index.html?topicintid=3&subtopicintid=9&contentintid=44665

Wonder what REALLY happened

 

[cfabe]

This was posted on here a few days ago, the story I read then was that he tried to catch the gun and caught a fingerful of trigger.

 

[38SnubFan]

Not to bash LEOs or any other firearms owner/user for that matter (I work for an LEO), but have we forgotten the term, "weapon retention"?

Sounds like he was in plainclothes, using an IWB holster. Never really liked using an IWB, for I always felt the gun/holster wanting to slip from my waistband and found myself constantly having to adjust its position.

I can't imagine, with the current Level 2 and Level 3-retention duty holsters, that he was in uniform.

Was he even using a holster? I know there's plenty of people out there who still use "mexican carry". (Not me, I'd be afraid of an ND in my pants causing my testicles to be forcefully and unexpectedly removed from my body.

-Matt

 

[mete]

Cfabe, there was another similar incident in NYC recently in which the store employee died...In both cases I would like to know how a gun fired when hitting the floor considering that guns are designed to NOT fire when dropped. S&W revolvers have a transfer bar to prevent it ,other makes have similar safety devices...I have heard of people removing the safety bar in the mistaken belief that it gives a better trigger pull.

 

[bigjim]

S&W revolvers have a transfer bar to prevent it ,other makes have similar safety devices...I have heard of people removing the safety bar in the mistaken belief that it gives a better trigger pull.

Should be careful repeating what you have heard. Since the S@W revolver
DEPENDS on the transfer bar to fire and WILL NOT fire if it was removed.

 

[bpisler]

S&W revolvers don't use a transfer bar to fire but rugers do.The sliding bar on the S&W's prevent the forward movement of the hammer when it's at rest.
Rugers system slides the bar up when the hammer is cocked,on S&W's this bar lowers out of the way of the hammer when it's cocked.

 

[bigjim]

Your correct of course. My bad.

 

[Jim March]

Bpisler used to be correct. S&W has been switching over to transfer bars on their revolvers almost exclusively of late, even on "classic models" that previously had the hammer-block system such as the model 66, 686, the N-Frames, etc.

A few hammer-block guns are still being made but not many. The patents ran out on the transfer bar.

 

[Standing Wolf]

I don't believe a word of it. I think the cop is lying.

 

[Jim K]

I tend to take those accounts with a grain of salt the size of a salt block. Most of the time, there is something not being told. I know of one case where a police officer's gun went off "accidentally" in the locker room. The official report stated that it went off when dropped. Bull! It went off when the cop was playing fast draw with an empty gun, loaded up, and then decided to have just one more try at beating himself in the mirror.

AFAIK, S&W is not using a transfer bar. Even the guns with frame mounted firing pins use the hammer block, not a transfer bar.

As to carrying in the waist band, some years back I had a friend who carried a 12" SAA "buntline" in the waistband. One day the got in my low sports car and sat down heavily. His scream could have been heard for miles. The gun did not go off - it didn't need to. The muzzle dug very deeply into some very sensitive parts of his anatomy, and he was in bad shape for a week.

Jim

 

[Zach S]

I thought NYPD used glocks that had trigger springs with rates comparable to the valvesprings in my 351 Cleveland, although guys still using six shooters wouldnt surprise me. In 23 years, I've spent two three days in NY so what do I know (other than most of the NYes I met didnt have any manners, and Paul Sr. doesnt act like an ***hole for ratings).

I think he tried to catch it and got a finger-full of trigger. Its a shame someone got hurt though.

Sounds like he was in plainclothes, using an IWB holster. Never really liked using an IWB, for I always felt the gun/holster wanting to slip from my waistband and found myself constantly having to adjust its position.

Two words, Milt Sparks. I carry in a SS-II daily and dont have problems, other than the end of the holdster pinching my rear if I sit down wrong. Of course, YMMV.

 

[38SnubFan]

Zach,

Unfortunately, my mileage did vary. I have an EAA Windicator .38 snubbie, and the only holster I've found for it is an Uncle Mike's. Even if I found a leather holster, I've found the cylinder pushing against the side of the hip on my rather thin-framed body is not very comfortable.

-Matt

 

[Travis McGee]

I wonder what REALLY happened!

;^)