Obama: Don't stock up on guns

[Sinixstar]

I also find it pretty frickin hypocritical the response from some people.
When the anti-movement twists the words of things pro-gun people say, we get all uppity about it. This is a pretty clear twist of what was said by Obama, and nobody seems to be the least bit bothered by it.

Again - someone asked - what does it matter if we saw the news conference. Well - if you saw the news conference - you'd see that the implications of "Obama says don't buy guns" is a pretty big twist of what he actually said. It's more media BS - and it shouldn't be tolerated whether it's in line with our views or not.

 

[22-rimfire]

Obama as president will sign any restrictive gun control legislation that hits his desk. He may not actively push for it, but he will sign it. Count on it.

I chuckled about Obama's comments on the Big 3 auto manufactures. My gripe there is not a loan but that the government is going to be looking at who proper management is. Stay out of their business! If they are bankrupt, let them go Chapter 11. The process will start there. These loans won't save one single auto worker job. The comment that nobody will buy an auto from a company in bankruptcy. If you like Fords or Chevy's or whaterver, you will continue to buy them.

You can not really tell what Obama is up to. It was the same in his campaign. The words say nothing and mean nothing other than they are words with meanings and double speak.

Well, on the gun issue, I believe in commonsense gun safety laws, and I believe in the Second Amendment. And so, lawful gun owners have nothing to fear. I've said that throughout the campaign. I haven't indicated anything different during the transition. And I think that people can take me at my word.

Most fear his commonsense gun safety laws. He won't change the 2nd Amendment or try to. There are other ways to accomplish the objective.

 

[Sinixstar]

Obama as president will sign any restrictive gun control legislation that hits his desk. He may not actively push for it, but he will sign it. Count on it.

I chuckled about Obama's comments on the Big 3 auto manufactures. My gripe there is not a loan but that the government is going to be looking at who proper management is. Stay out of their business! If they are bankrupt, let them go Chapter 11. The process will start there. These loans won't save one single auto worker job.

You know - it's funny...

For quite awhile now - people have been complaining about the "do nothing democratic congress". Now that those in power are thinking about doing something - we don't want them to.

So - do you want the government to act, or not? People aren't happy when they sit on the sidelines and let nature take it's course, so they force 'em to act. When they act - we bitch.

pick a side.

 

[camslam]

the times article and this thread imply that Obama said "don't buy guns" - those words never came out of his mouth.

This thread is about what his words meant. Both the words he actually spoke and those that we can take from his past record.

I mean, is this the pattern for how things are going to go for the next four years - every time he opens his mouth and says the word "gun" we're going to have a re-hash of his political career with endless pages of "he's a liar"? If so - just let me know now.

Last I checked, nobody here at THR had a gun pointed at their head, making them post in certain threads. If you don't like what is being said about Obama, I guess I would say, too darn bad. He is what he is, a left leaning, liberal, anti-gunner, and if we all want to discuss whether or not he is smart enough to GET THE MESSAGE that he probably shouldn't mess with gun rights, that is what we are going to do.

It is big news if the President Elect, even if he is only answering a question directed at him, comments on the fact that gun sales are through the freaking roof since he got elected. Let's just hope he gets the message loud and clear.

 

[The_Shootist]

Dunno

Lets look at the big picture:

1) Crummy economy (thats being charitable)
2) 2 wars (maybe 3 if Israel pulls the trigger on Iran)
3) Overseas shananigans (piracy, terrorists - the usual riff-raff)
3) Chicago Distractions (no further explanation needed )

Any one of the above ( maybe all) will soak up ALOT of resources/political capital to the point where its almost a level of foolhardiness to pick a fight with some majorly ticked off gun owners.

Sure - I have no doubt a new AWB and other restrictions to our 2A rights are near and dear to Husseins heart (just like cold hard cash is close to a Chicago politicians heart).

But as time wears on (and more shoes drop) i'm starting to feel a bit better. Today sure put a big smile on my face.

Ah to be young and a Federal agent in Chicago

 

[stevelyn]

If he really supported 2A, he wouldn't care one way or another how many guns people were buying.

 

[Sinixstar]

If he really supported 2A, he wouldn't care one way or another how many guns people were buying.

show me where he made a single comment about the number of guns people were buying.
He was asked a basic question - he gave a basic response. I think if he really cared - he would have said a whole heck of a lot more. The reporter opened the door for him to do exactly that by asking the question, and he didn't bother to take advantage.

 

[camslam]

Sinix: Who is saying Obama said, "Don't buy guns"?

That is how some people are choosing to interpret his comments, which isn't too far off.

1+1 = 2. Right.

Anti-gun politician is asked about how gun sales have gone through the roof since his election + He wisely says he isn't coming for peoples guns = You don't have to worry and keep buying guns, I'm not going to take them.

Bottom line, he implies that there is no need to rush to BUY MORE GUNS, because they are not threatened by him.

Those of us that have paid attention to his record, votes, comments, and actions, smell B.S. a mile a way. You may not.

 

[Bubba613]

I don't really care if he's popular here. What's the point?
Can anybody explain that?

The point is that it's a pissing contest to see who can be most distrustful of the government, which is a badge of courage here.

I'm sure Obama, and others like him, would love nothing more than to see just that. In response, I'd just like to wish that man luck. I believe the Freedom loving men and women of this country, and others, have everything it takes to endure and prevail against tyrannical movements such as the one we are about to face.

I find that the most hysterical of all. On a gun board where mentioning any "illegal" activity will get a thread shut down, we expect people in private will openly defy the government even at risk to their lives.
Uh, no.
The very same people shouting down others for carrying where no carry signs are posted and failing to make sure their imported mags have the right number of US made parts are going to turn them in at the first letter from some official-looking office.
Fortunately it won't come to that. Not in my lifetime anyway.

 

[Sinixstar]

Bottom line, he implies that there is no need to rush to BUY MORE GUNS, because they are not threatened by him.

Come on - let's be honest here. He didn't say that - he didn't even imply that. He gave a complete non-answer to a rather open-ended question - and not much more. People want a reason to get their panties in a bunch over the guy. That's fine - but let's just be honest about what it is.

 

[c5matt]

from earlier in this thread....as far as someone "owning 5 or 50 and there's no reason to own 50"...i fall into the 50+ category and i have a reason....i love to shoot each and every one of them. i never sell, only buy, but if i did ever sell a firearm, it would not be "on the street" whatever that is.... i do appreciate barrack hussien stimulating the firearm segment of the economy though, and i will be asking for MY bailout soon....as their are entirely too many firearms out there that i cant afford on my own!!

 

[D R Greysun]

Obama and the 2nd Amendment!

"I believe in common-sense gun safety laws, and I believe in the second amendment," Obama said at a news conference. "Lawful gun owners have nothing to fear. I said that throughout the campaign. I haven't indicated anything different during the transition. I think people can take me at my word."

Oh, I believe OB is a man of his word and I believe he mean's what he says. I also believe he will do everything in his power to make 'legal' gun ownership 'impossible'. Ergo, no lawful gun owners, no guns!

Fight for the Right! (not the right wing)

D R

 

[camslam]

Come on - let's be honest here. He didn't say that - he didn't even imply that. He gave a complete non-answer to a rather open-ended question - and not much more. People want a reason to get their panties in a bunch over the guy. That's fine - but let's just be honest about what it is.

Sinixstar: I'm trying to be respectful here, but please pay attention. I didn't claim he SPOKE those words. You may not believe he implied it, but that is the OBVIOUS implication based on his record and the question that was posed, if that doesn't make sense to you, we're probably at an impasse on this one.

He did not give a non-answer, he said, "I believe in common-sense gun safety laws, and I believe in the second amendment," Obama said at a news conference. "Lawful gun owners have nothing to fear. I said that throughout the campaign. I haven't indicated anything different during the transition. I think people can take me at my word."

Given the QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED, his reply is implying there is NO NEED to buy guns immediately or in great numbers as he is isn't going to come after them. The question is the key. It isn't that people are looking for something nitpick the guy over, if that were the case we would probably be all over the endless other parts of his record, agenda, or plans that are absolute crap. You don't hear people talking about those because this is a gun forum and we are concerned what he is going to do to those rights we hold so dear.

Ah to be young and a Federal agent in Chicago

A-Freakin-Men. Breaks my heart to see that anti-gun piece of crap governor get busted. Sweet justice in this unjust world.

The very same people shouting down others for carrying where no carry signs are posted and failing to make sure their imported mags have the right number of US made parts are going to turn them in at the first letter from some official-looking office.

Sadly, I would have to agree with this. I think most rank and file gun owners including many on THR will just walk down to the designated area and hand their guns over with not much more than a grimace. Let's hope it never gets to that point.

 

[Sinixstar]

Given the QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED, his reply is implying there is NO NEED to buy guns immediately or in great numbers as he is isn't going to come after them. The question is the key.

There's no *need* to buy many of the guns we buy. I don't think that's what he was getting at. I think he was getting at exactly what he said.
"Lawful gun owners have nothing to fear (regarding me taking your guns)."
The "there is no need to buy more" is a creation of your own mind. If that's what you want to see out of it - that's fine.
Frankly - whether he was implying there's "no need" or not - is irrelevant. Many of us here talk about how there is no NEED to buy a lot of the stuff we buy - but there is a want - and that's good enough. So, what exactly is so outrageous about that? We say the EXACT same thing regularly.

 

[c5matt]

Quote:
The very same people shouting down others for carrying where no carry signs are posted and failing to make sure their imported mags have the right number of US made parts are going to turn them in at the first letter from some official-looking office.

i will give my stuff to the feds on that day.....lead first

 

[Sinixstar]

I mean, let me ask you guys a question - what would you do if he came out a month from now, and said "ya know what - i studied the data, a lot of the stuff that's been done in the past was a waste of time and money - a lot of us made a mistake, and we're not going to go down that road again as far as gun control goes."

What would you do?
Would you stand up and say - good for you for seeing the error of your ways - or would it be another 7+ page thread about "look - see see - he admits he's anti gun!!!!!"

If you want to be angry, and want to be distrustful - there's nothing anyone can ever say or do to satisfy you. This is a ridiculously benign statement - and look how overblown it's become. 1 or 2 boilerplate sentences out of an entire press conference, and look at the feathers it's ruffled - i mean, come on.

 

[22-rimfire]

Obama's answer concerning guns suggested that he was aware that guns sales were quite high since his election. But he suggests that "we" think it is not first time buyers, rather people who really don't need another gun for self defense.

 

[camslam]

Sinix: No point in arguing with you. "I" personally never made the claim about what he said or what he implied, I tried to explain to you why others felt that way. Whatever.... No point in discussing this further.

Based on the number of posts you have in a month of being a member here, probably means you have a lot to say, and given the circular nature of your comments on many threads, this is only going to keep going and going.

I'm crying "uncle". You win. Obama won't come for our guns, he won't inhibit the sale, transfer, or purchase of any guns, ammo, or gun related equipment. He won't do ANYTHING remotely restrictive of the 2nd amendment. We are all safe as kittens and can sleep well tonight. Fair enough. He is a wonderful person in which the U.S. now has its ideal promoter of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

 

[Sinixstar]

But he suggests that "we" think it is not first time buyers, rather people who really don't need another gun for self defense.

No - he never said anything on that subject whatsoever.
THAT person - was some idiot from the anti-campaign.

What the sun times did, was take a single 2 sentence quote from Obama, and use it to lead an article where they talked to the Brady campaign, and tried to tie the two together. If you actually pay attention, and read the quote in context - it's far more benign then the article would have you believe.

 

[c5matt]

hehehehehe........and he's secretly the easter bunny and santa...........
as for me....i hope he goes back to doing coke and shortens his own existence.

 

[Sinixstar]

I'm crying "uncle". You win. Obama won't come for our guns, he won't inhibit the sale, transfer, or purchase of any guns, ammo, or gun related equipment. He won't do ANYTHING remotely restrictive of the 2nd amendment. We are all safe as kittens and can sleep well tonight. Fair enough. He is a wonderful person in which the U.S. now has its ideal promoter of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

I have no crystal ball - i can't say for sure whether he will or not. Nor am I making a claim otherwise.

When George W. Bush got elected, a lot of us were pretty ticked off about it, and really didn't like the guy. A lot of us got over it - and stopped ranting and raving over every word that came out of his mouth, and focused on what we could try to do about it. There were some rather vocal people who still continued to hang on to every word that came out of his mouth, and pull it apart, and analyze it and so on. You know what we called those people? F'ing crazies.

I guess the question is - when are we going to stop being f'ing crazies and use every mention of the "g" word out of his mouth as an excuse to rant and rave about how much we dislike the man - and start focusing on slightly more rational thought about what we can do about it.

I'm not sure what's so circular about that.

 

[22-rimfire]

I give up. Off to another thread!

 

[cliffy]

Commonsense reveals Obama for what he stands for:

Nuff said for what lies ahead for LEGAL gun-owners. Humans are dated regarding ever-improving robotic masters. Our shot-to-sh-- economy is merely the next step to human take-over. Nothing EVER changes for the betterment of humankind, ever. Only the top two-percent of human brainpower will be tolerated and enhanced shortly. Idiots, like me, will become meat protein concerning enhanced "brain-power." Progress leaves average human-intelligent in the dust of irrelevence. Our firepower is our last bastian of FREEDOM, so treat your rifles RIGHT and CLEAN them Religiously. cliffy

 

[crawfobj]

It's simple - Obama has said that he'll cut our national defense budget. I'm just doubling mine to compensate.

 

[c5matt]

amen crawfobj...... i second that!! right there with ya....wish we could buy the REALLY cool stuff to compensate